Dialing Back the Crazy on Windows 8

A missed internal Windows 8 sales projection has turned into fodder for the anti-Microsoft/anti-Windows 8 crowd

While Windows 8 has not met Microsoft’s internal projections, others have taken this story and run with it in different directions. According to other blogs and web sites—most of which quote my original story though none have ever reached out to me for more information—Windows 8 is not selling well, is a Vista-like disaster for Microsoft, and may be the downfall of the company itself. Folks, get real. It’s time to dial back the crazy.

As is so often the case, the simplest of assertions is taken wildly out of context. Ten days ago, I published Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections, Plenty of Blame to Go Around, about a day after I received the information that sits at the heart of that story. My original intent was to publish this as a news article, which would have consisted of the first part of that post’s title: Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections. But as I wrote it up, it occurred to me that the blame Microsoft aimed at PC makers was perhaps not the only cause for this internal miss. So I added the second part--Plenty of Blame to Go Around—which focuses on my own speculation and best-guesses about why Microsoft didn’t hit its internal sales goals for Windows 8.

Cue the blogosphere, which turned this simple post into the source for whatever anti-Microsoft assertions they wished to make. Cue questions even from some readers, wondering why I would turn on Microsoft.

Some well-meaning bloggers and reporters immediately decided that it was far too early to “judge” Windows 8 sales, as if I were doing that. In fact, Microsoft had already internally communicated that Windows 8 sales had not met their internal projections, and while they blame the PC makers, my post tried to balance things out with other issues that I think could have contributed to this internal miss.

Since then, I’ve heard from multiple sources at Microsoft about these missed projections. And while I’m sure the next public Windows 8 unit sales milestone will paint a pretty picture—it’s Windows, folks; this thing sells in the millions regardless of what anyone thinks about it—the one thing that is consistent is that the company does in factblames PC makers internally. And now I know why.

First, while PC makers had announced a wide range of launch PCs and devices, many weren’t even delivered to retail in time for the Windows 8 launch. I actually noticed this at the Microsoft Store in Bellevue, Washington the week after the launch: Microsoft was only selling four non-Surface devices, and when I asked about that, I was told that was all they got. If you had visited a Microsoft Store in the weeks before the launch, you would have seen many Windows 7 PC models.

Second, a source at Microsoft tells me that PC makers did not manufacture PCs and devices in the quantities needed to support the Windows 8 launch. With more hardware arriving since the launch, some feel there is still time to recover for the holiday selling period, but that’s an open question.

It’s nice to get a bit of color on the original assertion. But the story hasn’t changed at all, even though many are contorting it to their own aims: Windows 8 hasn’t met Microsoft’s internal sales projections. We don’t know what those projections are, and this doesn’t mean that Windows 8 isn’t selling “well” or to the volume that Windows 7 sold during its own launch window, or whatever else. It means only one thing: That Microsoft had expectations about Windows 8 sales at launch, and those expectations were not met. End of story.

So, please. Dial back the crazy. Windows 8 is a bold bet for Microsoft, a “long game” move that establishes this OS as a first class mobile platform that works on a very wide variety of device types. We can debate whether it’s successful, or whether it works better on tablets than on PCs, or whatever. But that’s a different conversation. And I expect the conversation about Windows 8—sometimes heated, I guess—to continue for some time to come.

Discuss this Article 27

dregourd
on Nov 26, 2012

Hello Paul, you are right to calm the game.
But the real problem is a trust problem, and when you say "it's Windows, folks", it does not sound as evident as in the past.
It is not "Windows" anymore, and that is the heart of the question.
People do not recognize their familiar environment and the multiplication of ill-integrated formats (tablets and phones) does not help.
Windows sons feel like orphans and like Huck Finn, they are ready to jump on the first raft to escape the situation.

DBSync
on Nov 26, 2012

I think the real reporting should be "why" the manufacturers are not delivering Windows 8 products. With all the manufacturers who make Windows based systems it seems odd that a large majority did not deliver for a major launch. It is in their best interest to capitalize on the hype etc.

mmaestro
on Nov 26, 2012

This is a really interesting question. I suspect part of it is Intel, at least with the Clover Trail tablets. Why would Clover Trail be delayed from both Dell and Lenovo unless there was a supply chain issue?
As for the rest.. who knows? It took 3 weeks for Dell to manufacture the XPS 12 I ordered on day of release. They didn't have stock? Many other systems are the same. So clearly at best manufacturers completely underestimated demand.

Nine54
on Nov 26, 2012

I agree that it's a really interesting question and, rather than just blaming its PC partners, I hope MS is looking into it with them. While a supply chain issue definitely can be a contributor, I don't know if OEMs necessarily underestimated demand.

I agree that Win8 launched without the more compelling array of devices that OEMs previously showed off. Some people might have been looking for those devices on launch day, but we don't really know if people were going to buy those devices in droves. Maybe OEMs received tepid guidance from enterprises and retailers given the current economic state and deferred upgrade/purchasing cycles.

DomB
on Nov 26, 2012

For all of the 'chuff' floating around about how good/bad Windows 8 is. I have to agree that in part the OEM's are to blame for at least some of the issue. I have Win8 CP on my old Sony, and love it. I did get a little excited at launch as my old Sony is due a replacement and wanted to purchase a 'convertible' as I travel around from office to office, and ideally I need a full size laptop. I saw and drooled over the Toshiba U920 - to me the perfect or all the alternatives in terms of form factor - only to find that it has Win8 only on it, so it would cost me the additional upgrade cost to take it Pro - shameful. It wouldn't have been so bad had they provided both alternatives. So...I am back to square one and as yet undecided on what to do.....

rrgtr
on Nov 26, 2012

I agree completely, I have been to the Microsoft store and retailers and not a lot of hardware available. Looks more like trying to sell off old models. Windows Phone 8 stock is horrible as well. In Best Buy where I saw Samsung Series 5 Touch I had to do the salesmen's job who didn't know how to use the machine. The shopper I showed how windows 8 works was sold! Add in everyone asks for a Surface but only available at MS store.

If hardware was available MS would be cleaning up this Christmas, but it isn't...

spsingh1
on Nov 26, 2012

I have to agree with you. At my local stores I have not seen many, if any Win8 touch tablets/convertables. The tablets the OEM's are putting out have so much extra junk software that you loose half of a 64 Gig drive. When I buy an OEM computer, the first thing I do is buy a copy of Windows to install.

This is why I think that MS is seriously looking at producing hardware. The one thing I like about an Apple laptop is that it comes with NO BLOATWARE. This is how it should be. The next computer I buy might be an MS signature PC from the MS Store.

Super2online
on Nov 26, 2012

Whether you like it or not, Windows 8 is a tough sell on hardware that is not touch enabled. Go to any store and try to find a PC, Laptop, or Ultrabook loaded with Windows 8 that has a touch screen. We need excellent touch enabled hardware, then let the chips fall where they may.

euskalzabe
on Nov 26, 2012

I guarantee you, touch or not, the first time you used an Android or iOS device it was NOT a good experience. That had nothing to do with the touch feature, it had to do with the fact that it was a new, unfamiliar OS.

Windows 8 is a harder sell because it is new and unfamiliar in many respects, certainly not because you don't have touch hardware. I've been using Windows 8 since the dev preview both in touch and non-touch capable hardware and once I got used to the new environment, I have never had a problem.

You cannot expect to use a new system for 5 minutes and have a wonderful experience. Neither Google nor Apple managed to pull that off in their beginnings. You should hold Microsoft to the same standards.

SteveCr48
on Nov 26, 2012

It's mindbogglingly how lame the touch hardware is. Show me just one descent touchpad, let alone an elegant chassis. How could these manufacturers be so asleep?

ian.aldrighetti
on Nov 26, 2012

I disagree about how lame the hardware is, the lack of choice I agree with, though.

I was near a Best Buy and decided to go in and check out the Windows 8 devices. I wanted to see what it was like with touch. I looked at everything that was there.

The one's I remember was the Yoga (13") and the Asus Vivo RT (or something like that). I heard the Yoga was not that great on some reviews, but I thought it was amazing. The ability to turn it into a tablet or into a laptop was great. It seemed very sturdy for being able to do that and it seemed pretty thin even in tablet form factor.

It was just all around extremely snappy and responsive. I even went into the desktop while still using touch and was surprised it was rather easy to open and close applications and hit the tiny points more meant for mice.

The Asus tablet was great too, also very fast and responsive.

That is of course just my opinion. If I had the money I would have purchased the Yoga right then and there, but $999.99 seemed a bit high for me.

thereal_entheos
on Nov 26, 2012

I blame the OEM's 100%. It is sort of funny that all of them have failed to deliver all but a token of their new touch PC's whether all-in-one or laptops or convertibles. Universally the prices range from mid-high to way-to-high. Funny how with the windows phone 8 phones it is nearly the opposite. They are available and very reasonably priced; as a result, I'll bet they are selling well.

AlexHamilton
on Nov 26, 2012

I was pretty blown away with the in-store experience of the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13. Reinforced by Paul’s review I was looking to buy straight away, but to my surprise the Lenovo site was touting a **4 week wait on all models/orders... And after some digging I found someone who ordered online back on Nov 6th had a projected ship date of January 14th 2013 due to a “component issue”.
I contacted Lenovo to get more information and they said the orders were on hold because they did not have enough screens for all the devices, so it was a supply chain issue, not necessarily a “component issue”. Paul’s review was pretty spot on with the Yoga and unless I'm getting the ultra-maxed out edition to throw in the face of the crApple fanbois in the office I probably wouldn't purchase it; simply because if I'm going for a convertible I want it to last at least 3 years of upgrades before flipping into something else.
Just one device experience but for me will obviously negatively impact a "holiday sale" simply because the device I want won't get to my door before the new year; if ever...

RJasonW74
on Nov 26, 2012

I purchased Windows 8 Pro to run on my yr old HP Pavilion laptop & it's been great. I also have Microsoft's Touch Mouse that was designed with gestures for Windows 7, note it's been updated for Windows 8, & its been near flawless. If the manufacturers would take the time to craft hardware that is touch capable & not some cheap gimmick this all becomes a non issue. As Paul says in short order more copies of Windows 8 will eventually sell than Apple has EVER sold of their devices (iOS, Mac) combined. Then we'll go back to the same old worries of "Microsoft has a monopoly & they force vendors to carry this... It's cheaply made hardware... Look at the bloatware... Yada yada yada.

I personally have no need for new hardware yet. But next fall I'll be in the market. It'll be Windows 8 & touch capable along the lines of the Lenovo Yoga or Acer Aspire S7 with a larger screen (hopefully) since my minimum size preference is 15.6 inches like my current laptop. And then we can all go back to reading Grubers snide & snarky comments on the horrible Microsoft/Google/anything not Apple world & all of us idiots who still don't get it & are stuck in a less productive past. In other words it'll be business as usual.

Rolfski
on Nov 26, 2012

Let's face it. The whole OEM industry has been in a rather sad state for years. Up till now, they still haven't managed to deliver the consistent hardware innovation and quality Apple is bringing to the table. And now Microsoft threatens to beat them at their own game as well. They should be ashamed of themselves.

rich4a1
on Nov 26, 2012

I don't know how the retailers and OEMs should share the blame. I went to a local Best Buy wanted to see how a Clover Trail tablet performs, and I couldn't find any. The fact is, I went to all the local electronic stores, including Staples and Walmart, and saw only one Samsung device that runs on Clover Trail, and that thing has no WiFi connection so I still don't know how it performs. BTW when I asked the store associate at Best Buy about the Clover Trail tablets, his reaction was "what?" And he could understand my question only after I rephrased it to Intel Atom tablets.

NetLogic
on Nov 26, 2012

Paul, I am glad that you wrote a follow up article about other blogger sites quoting your 'source' to bash MS about Win 8 sales.

I think MS is totally right about blaming OEMS for doing a sloppy job for delivering Win 8 devices. Some of these OEMS are heavily focused on Google products, and in part explains the lack of focus. I also suspect Samsung sabotaging MS in WP8, the company has vast resources and yet they couldn't bring one model yet to the market, they also sucked with WP7.5. I think its time for MS to take matter into its own hands, partner with HP and Lenovo for world wide distribution and open its own retail channels world wide.

Waethorn
on Nov 26, 2012

I put the blame on Microsoft: they didn't provide the ADK to system builders until less than a month before release. Docs were non-existent. They only provided good automated scripts for it AFTER launch, and even then, most distributors didn't have system builder copies until at least a whole week after launch. I was literally sitting here twiddling my thumbs on launch day because I couldn't build anything with Windows 8 and have it ready. Instead, customers might've went to Best Buy, and even then, the choice was limited.

If Microsoft wants future versions to be successful, they need to support smaller builders too, not just the big OEM's with those monthly purchase contracts. They need to roll out documentation, scripts, and provide help to ALL OEM's well before launch. For me, this was a Vista launch, because I, like hardware vendors looking at January 2007, wasn't ready - but I couldn't do anything about it.

lorinkundert
on Nov 26, 2012

It has never sold in the millions, forcing people to buy it with a new pc is not a legitimate sale and if given a choice many would buy a bare metal pc and put what they want on it.

ian.aldrighetti
on Nov 26, 2012

How is it not a legitimate sale? If people didn't want Windows, or at least detested it that much, they would refuse to buy the computer with it on it. However, they don't.

Why would any mainstream user buy a "bare metal PC" and put what they want on it, when they clearly want Windows anyways? What are they going to do, install Linux on it? They can do that already if they chose to do so, yet if you haven't noticed Linux market share has only remained stagnant. Meaning they don't want it.

Poor logic is poor.

Josh602
on Nov 26, 2012

When I ordered a Dell XPS 12 a bit after the Windows 8 launch on Halloweem, I was told it would arrive a couple of days ago. Now it's apparently going to be delivered in December. So I've experienced first-hand why sales are so low. I agree with you, Paul, that Windows 8 is probably still selling. I was in a Currys store a couple of weeks ago and kept overhearing staff saying "Windows 8 is selling really well. It's definitely going to be a hit."

WEHTWindows
on Nov 26, 2012

The last several weeks have brought out the crazy in YOU. Flip-flops, cheerleading most but not all MS moves, but as a site that can be very helpful is it required that you take on the attitude that only MS Is "It," along with a hater-of-user tone, as in recent articles with admonishments to paying customers such as "dial back the crazy?" Consumers pay the bills for Microsoft, no matter how you many deny it, Microsoft will eventually suffer with the "our way or the highway" attitude and theory that "telemetry tells us all." Beta testing is the cost of doing business, and what is wrong with IMPROVING products instead of pretending they never existed - for example Money, Frontpage, Flight Simulator, and many more? Why is it "progress" to disband the groups that have brought great products to us under the MS umbrella and then move to a model of "take what we give you or too bad?" The loyal customers of Microsoft (who recoil at the thought of touch screens especially) must be wondering if it is really necessary to move into this brave new world of computing? I've seen many new MS commercials on TV. Endless left-and-right swiping of icons. Wow. Drawing with fingers. Double wow. Clicking together computers at the picnic table. Infinite wows. I haven't seen anything like WORK being done in these commercials, I must have missed that. I guess people now must use their "consumption devices" to twitter and Facebook their days away. The brave new unproductive world. You, Paul, need to dial back your rhetoric and blame the customer-blame the OEM's and blame everything but Windows 8, which is a terrible example of taking a good product and making it ever better. I've had nothing but Wintel since about 1990 but now I'm not going some other direction because of money. There could be one or two users in the same dilema. TEST THINGS OUT - IMPROVE THINGS - DO NOT RELEASE your so-called 1.0 Metro to users. These things should be worked out. The world does not owe Microsoft a living with hobbled products instead of improved products. Dial it back, please. Did desktop users really need to be told they are obsolete, and that Microsoft couldn't have had products for both tablets/netbooks/whatever as well as powerful desktops? I have read several times we're headed for the full screen app world. Wow, how the mighty have gotten screwed up. Is it really so awful to have a complete product line that serves different purposes - is there some law that says you are limited to just a handful of SKU's? Really?

pthurrott
on Nov 26, 2012

Alrighty then. :)

To be clear, I'm not asking "users" to dial back the crazy. That was for bloggers and reporters.

JeffinLondon
on Nov 27, 2012

Oh, come on now Paul.

We all know Win 8 / RT / Pro is a two headed hydra abortion of an Op Sys. It's awkward and confusing to most. I advise against it to anyone looking for my advice.

MS should have built the new Metro OS and shipped that as Win 8 on tablets and laptops, and then kept shipping Win 7 (or a Win 7Plus) in parallel ala XP / Vista. The Metro UI, I agree is a step past Android / iOS grid of static icons and if MS had piled in behind that alone they might be finding traction now.

This two heading thing is a mess and they have their hands full trying to make it a success. I predict it will 'fail'.

Godzilla
on Nov 27, 2012

Hey Paul,
I wanted to give you my feedback. I run a Computer Store on a large university campus here in the US. I haven't seem walk in demand for a product like the surface since the original ipad. Microsoft finally has cool, but you are correct, its OEM partners left it high and dry.

We can't offer the Surface yet, but we've had on order multiple Windows 8 slate devices, and NONE have shipped yet. That's ridiculous. I'm sure I could sell a ton of the Acer Iconia w700 with the dock, but I can't get any. It seems no one can.

thanks for having a balanced viewpoint.

Hanover
on Nov 27, 2012

Hate to break it to you bub, this "two headed hydra abortion" is nothing new. When 3.1 was still around, and even after Windows 95 was released, I still used several of my DOS programs. The idea is to keep supporting the old while introducing the new. And even back then, there were tons of comments and criticisms just like yours about the bold step Microsoft took in overhauling windows.

I think that during the first six to eight months, all these complaints will fall onto deaf ears because if there's one thing software companies realize is that people hate change. It's all been done before.

Do a Google search for "XP Failure" and set the time to around 2001 and look at how history repeats itself...and then remember how popular XP became.

Eochaid The Bard
on Nov 29, 2012

Wow, people sure are getting emotional about their "work" machines. I think your complaint is more geared to the computing market in general. Apple put out the iPhone and iPad and started cobbling up market share like crazy. Many call the response "copying" but I call it responding to consumer demand. Tablet and smartphone sales are rising, PC (mac and windows) are dropping. Windows 8 is a response, but its a clever one. How do you launch into an entrenched ecosystem when your market segment is declining? A slow transition.

Honestly, all Windows 8 did is replace an aging (and in my opinion, pointless - at least since Vista) start menu with a start "screen". All your start menu functions are there. Hit start button on keyboard and type to find your programs. Or, click where your start button used to be and the start screen pops up. You know that 8x1 space that had frequently used programs? Now its 8 x infinity. Yes there's an app store, but use it or not, nobody cares. Yes there's metro versions of windows programs, but they gave you desktop versions too. Even Office is desktop-only. MS is trying as hard as possible to easily transition desktop users into the multi-device future that hundreds of millions of iPad and Android users are already saying they want. Is it perfect? Of course not. But they have done a better job than anyone else at trying to unify the computing devices we all have rather than force us to accept 3 different devices that all work differently and don't interact with each other.

With your comment, all I hear is "I hate touch computers." Cool, that's your preference. But keep in mind that hundreds of millions of people are voting with their wallets against you, windows pcs are losing market share to them, and Microsoft managed to create a Windows version that's diverse enough to compete but also keeps the general legacy conventions.

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