Explaining Windows 8 PC Sales Over the Holidays

It's time to stop denying that Windows 8 is off to a slow start

At some point, the cheerleaders—and yes, amazingly, they’re out there—are going to have to face reality: Windows 8 is selling slowly. More slowly than Windows 7 at launch, and more slowly than Windows 7 a year ago. And while a peek at NPD’s publicly released data for the holiday selling season can provide some clues as to why, I can tell you exactly what happened.

First, the publicly-released NPD data.

“Despite the hype, and hope, around the launch of Windows 8, the new operating system did little to boost holiday sales or improve the year-long Windows notebook sales decline,” NPD noted. “Windows notebook holiday unit sales dropped 11 percent, on par with Black Friday, and similar to the yearly trend, but revenue trends weakened since Black Friday to end the holiday period down 10.5 percent … .  [Average Selling Prices, or ASPs] rose only $2 to $420. Touchscreen notebooks were 4.5 percent of Windows 8 sales with ASPs around $700.  Sales of Windows notebooks under $500 fell by 16 percent while notebooks priced above $500 increased 4 percent.”

NPD only provides a small sliver of its data to the public, but it generates much more comprehensive reports, for a fee, for companies like Microsoft that have a stake in this market. But buried even in this single public statement is the clue we need to explain Windows 8’s slow start.

It’s the netbook.

I’ve written—and spoken about, on podcasts—about how Windows 7, somewhat miraculously and/or suspiciously, was able to maintain a steady selling rate of approximately 20 million units per month over its three year lifespan. And I’ve furthered that Windows 8 needs to reach that figure, at a minimum, because it targets two markets, that for PCs and that for tablets. To be truly successful, Windows 8 needs to sell far more than 20 million licenses a month.

The funny thing is, we’ve held up Windows 7 as the gold standard when it comes to Windows versions. It was non-controversial, lauded for cleaning up the Windows Vista “mess” (whether real or perceived), and is still generally regarded as a high-water mark of sorts. Those who pan Windows 8 invariably compare it, unfavorably, to Windows 7, and wonder why Microsoft simply couldn’t have made another Windows 7 instead.

But it’s simple. Windows 7 was a lie.

See, that 20 million figure—which I believe to have been massaged from a bookkeeping standpoint—was unfairly bolstered by sales of low-cost PCs, primarily netbooks. And that’s the clue we see in the NPD statement above. It says that the average selling price of notebooks “rose only $2 to $420.” The average selling price of Windows-based PC notebooks is barely above $400. Do you know what the ASP is for Apple’s Macbook line? It’s $1419. A full $1000 more than that of a typical Windows notebook. $1000!

It’s not pat to say that the Windows PC market went for volume over quality, because it did: Many of those 20 million Windows 7 licenses each month—too many, I think—went to machines that are basically throwaway, plastic crap. Netbooks didn’t just rejuvenate the market just as Windows 7 appeared, they also destroyed it from within: Now consumers expect to pay next to nothing for a Windows PC. Most of them simply refuse to pay for more expensive Windows PCs.

And this isn’t my opinion, it’s a fact. Despite being created as a “touch-first” OS, only 4.5 percent of Windows 8 PC sales including multi-touch capabilities. When you couple this with the fact that statistically zero percent of PCs that were upgraded to Windows 8 included touch capabilities, you can see that even in the tiny current market of Windows 8 users, virtually no one is using multi-touch.

(Before anyone else points this out, yes, the NPD’s data cited here does not include tablets, like Surface, nor does it measure sales at Microsoft’s own retail stores, which accounted for virtually all Surface sales in Q4. But let’s not pretend that Surface sales have taken off. Based on Microsoft’s silence, and what we do know about Windows 8 sales, it’s likely that Surface accounts for a tiny, tiny percentage of Windows 8 sales overall.)

In a privately distributed report, NPD concludes that “netbooks did an incalculable amount of damage to the PC market,” driving average selling prices down at an unsustainable rate. With Windows 8, of course, Microsoft is trying to reverse that trend, and it is doing so in two ways:

Tablets. Thanks to Apple, the average selling price of a capable, full-sized (~10-inch screen versions) tablet is about $650, with prices starting firmly at $500. (Some competitors finally began undercutting Apple in 2012, of course). Microsoft thus entered the market at $500 with a base Surface that basically requires at least another $110 to $120 of keyboard cover accessory, for a price of, wait for it, $610-$620. That’s $200 more than the ASP of a typical Windows notebook.

Multi-touch hybrid and traditional PCs. Those $420 PCs that everyone bought do not have multi-touch. According to NPD, the average selling price of a touch-based notebook is $700, about $300 more—almost double—the ASP of a typical Windows notebook. But touch-based notebook/hybrid PCs that cost $900 or more are twice as prevalent in the market as devices that cost $500 to $700. So PC makers made more of the more expensive devices, but sold more of the less expensive (non-touch) devices regardless.

These higher prices are better for both Microsoft and its PC maker partners. But no one is buying them.

Getting people to pay more for a product they were previously getting inexpensively is a tough one. Obviously, a touch-based PC is “more capable” than a non-touch-based PC. But I keep coming back to the same argument I’ve always had about the Surface in particular, which I’ll now make for all touch-based Windows 8 PCs/devices as well. They are too expensive.

And we’re reaching the point, given the actual sales data, where this too isn’t so much opinion as fact. Consumers are voting with their wallets, and the Windows PCs they’re buying today are cheap and non-touch-based. And the reason is that the touch-based machines are too expensive.

Years of relying on cheap netbook sales to bolster the shaky PC market have colored our perception of both Windows and the hardware on which it runs. For Windows 8 to succeed—reach or exceed that 20 million licenses per month figure—the average selling price of touch-based PCs and devices is going to have to come down. On a side note, I suspect this was the real impetus behind the push to get Windows 8 on ARM: ARM-based chipsets and devices are much less complex and thus less expensive to manufacture today than traditional PCs. That Microsoft then milked customers with higher Surface prices is, of course, unfortunate.

And while Apple has kept prices on its own ARM-based devices high, Android alternatives are flooding the market with cheaper prices. This is the part of the market the PC always occupied in its battles against the Mac. But I suspect that multi-touch Windows 8 PCs and devices can occupy a price range that fits neatly between that for Android tablets and that for iPads.

Regardless, prices need to come down. The 2012 holiday selling season has confirmed that these devices are too expensive.

Discuss this Article 89

thundr35
on Jan 6, 2013

Agreed, but I think this is exactly why MS should be upset with OEMs. They basically delivered this holiday season to them on a platter with the high cost of the surface and limited availability and the OEMs choked. So MS responds by allowing more availability of the surface. Pricing is disappointing for those that want a quality device but that still leaves the door open for OEMs. Whether they open that door is up to them.

Simon Hibbs
on Jan 7, 2013

While iOS and Android are highly optimised for mobile devices, leading to high performance on very modest hardware, Microsoft are trying to shoehorn 16 GB of clunky desktop OS on to ARM systems. And you blame the OEMs? They're doing fine kicking out cheap Android tablets.

It just goes to show how comprehensively outmanoeuvred Microsoft was back in 1997, that 5 years later they are still in strategic turmoil. I don't even think they have begun to close the gap. Their current answer is of the same basic form they were pushing back then - tablets running the desktop OS with a touch (then pen) based shell. It wasn't working then, it isn't working now and it isn't going to suddenly start working any time soon either.

Boots
on Jan 5, 2013

It's not just Netbooks that are cheap.
A HP laptop with a 15.6" display, i3 processor, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and DVD burner, running Windows 8 costs A$399.
The basic Surface tablet with 10" display, 2GB RAM, 32GB storage, no DVD, no keyboard and less connections costs A$559. A 64GB model with a touch keyboard costs A$788.
How does it cost more to produce a Surface?
If, for example, the i3 Surface Pro with keyboard is going to be priced at about $1100, then that is a price difference of $700.
What does the $700 go into, when manufacturing a tablet?

P.S. On a display Surface that I saw, the fabric top of the Touch keyboard was coming away from the base at the corner, exposing the circuit board inside.

Rancor62
on Jan 6, 2013

Win8 was released to manufacturers in August. If the rabid early adopters could have bought overpriced touch devices in September, their friends would have been impressed enough to buy them discounted for the holidays. High schoolers would have begged their parents. I wanted one, but, the MS stores were too far away for me to see and touch a Surface. When Staples stocked them, I bought one and will buy the Pro. I wanted to get the HP envy x2 for my wife. But, not in any store, 30 day wait online. Price should not have been the issue. If the hardware was there 3 months ago, we would be anticipating the next gen hybrid devices.

Mia
on Jan 6, 2013

Personally I think you are right. I used WIndows 8 since its released. My email app can not work and I uninstall mail app and download at www.windows8appstore.com, but still can not work. How can I fix this? Thanks.

Asgard
on Jan 6, 2013

Best article I have read in a very long time. One thing is not explained though. Why people are not upgrading? Upgrade from W7 to W8 will easily give an extra year to that cheap crap.

thecelt
on Jan 6, 2013

Paul- you may have a point on price, but price was always a part of the equation. You need to take a close look at trends and listen. Actually, Microsoft does.
I am a long time Microsoft and Windows fan- how uncool is that- and I positively despise Win 8 Metro UI. Scan through slashdot and see what the folks there increasingly recommend for grandma/aunt/parent machines- it is the Chromebook. Why? Cheap, easy to run, easy to support from afar, auto-updates. As recently as a year ago, this would have been overwhelmingly a Windows 7 recommendation. No people don't "need" to learn a Metro UI as you state in another post Windows 8 needs to go where the real market is. If Windows has gotten too clumsy/expensive/troublesome for grandma, then Windows is going to wither and die.

satkinsn
on Jan 6, 2013

Question: when we talk about touch-enabled laptops and all-in-ones, are we talking about screens or are we talking about trackpads that support Win 8 gestures.

I don't think I'd want touch (as in screen) on my laptop, but I'd sure like to be able to use gestures, like my son does on his Macbook Pro.

pthurrott
on Jan 6, 2013

We're talking about screens. And to clear, only people who have never used touch on a traditional PC (Ultrabook/All-in-one PC) think they don't want it. As soon as you start having this capability, you expect it everywhere.

SebSemmi
on Jan 6, 2013

I look down on my MacBook and realize I have Multi-Touch since 2008 or so. If you are right, why doesn’t make Apple screens with touch capability?

mikewm1111
on Jan 6, 2013

Is the Mac OS touch friendly as Windows 8?

As to my understanding, Microsoft made the gamble to focus on a touch friendly UI (Metro) for both Desktop and Tablets.

Apple has thus far kept their focus on IOS for tablets and I have not 'heard' personally any Apple plans to change the Mac OS UI as dramatically as Microsoft has in Windows 8.

So this is one case where Microsoft has given the OEMS a chance to innovate their hardware lineup; and where I see no need for those type of changes in the MacBook products.

SebSemmi
on Jan 7, 2013

the Multi-Touch Trackpad on a MacBook is the equivalent to Win8 touch friendliness , simply because Apple things touch on the screen itself isn’t such a great solution on a desktop/laptop machine.

But this is the big problem of Microsoft. Sure Win8 touch friendliness is a great opportunity for the OEMs to innovate, but the OEMs can only innovate on what MS gives them and MS isn’t so much into hardware. This is the core problem…

People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.

mikewm1111
on Jan 7, 2013

>>People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware

That is of course Steve Job's heart felt belief concerning apple.

But you have to qualify 'software' because it's absurd to say all software developers should create hardware.

I think Bill Gates knew how to grow Microsoft to the giant it is because it made good business sense to license the Operating System. (Brilliant in fact)

As we are seeing a glimpse of the future in terms of devices and services; it may now make sense to follow Steve Job's approach of tight integration.

I think the move to control the end to end user experience by producing hardware only just recently started to make sense for Microsoft.

To say Microsoft should have followed Apple's approach to start with (starting in the 1980's); that I would have to disagree with.

jimfrost
on Jan 6, 2013

Ok, so the netbook recalibrated expectations as to PC cost. That increased sales, so people were happy, even though they were making no money.

Now, PC sales are collapsing, and netbooks are gone. Those buyers did not migrate to higher-cost PCs en mass as they would have if the theory that building better stuff to attract them would pan out. So, we already have an existence proof that this just will not work.

I think the valuable thing to ask at this point is: Where did those sales go? And the answer is staring you right in the face. By and large, it has been the iPad, although in increasing numbers other tablets too.

Tablets are doing a very good job of serving the low-end market. That is not going to go away, ever. And therein lies one hell of a big problem for Microsoft.

We all know that WinRT is intended to attack the one place that Microsoft was horribly vulnerable: The high cost of Intel-based hardware. ARM is eating up low-cost PCs, which turn out to be a big part of the PC market.

Now, this has a second impact that nobody has been talking about yet. As PC sales and volumes start to flag, prices are necessarily going to rise. And since higher prices are the problem in the first place, this is a death spiral.

I hold one fact to be self-evident: ARM-based hardware is good enough for the vast majority of PC users. We know this because the ARM chips of today already have performance rivaling that of PCs just six years old. The technology hit a point years ago where more performance just didn't matter for most use (games being the only real exception, but really only GPU technology, which ARM technologies have been all over for years, just look at the current crops of iPad games to prove its viability).

Intel is working hard to get to parity, but unlike e.g. RISC in the 90s they are being held back by the very thing that helped them previously, Windows. Windows on x86 has a primary value in its legacy applications. But to run those applications takes a certain amount of horsepower, limiting how much Intel can cut without performance becoming untenable (or at least difficult to sell). That talk of bad Atom performance? Well, that's what we're talking about.

Atom processors are pretty fast relative to ARM, but Windows on Atom is not. Lighter-weight phone-based operating systems don't have legacy requirements and run very fast on lower powered hardware, and do it at a fraction of the cost. Look at the Chromebooks to see how big a fraction: Samsung has a nice one for well under $300, more than 25% less expensive than a really lousy Windows laptop.

Now, Chromebooks are limited function and I think they'll never do more than niche in the market. But that is not true of the tablet marketplace.

Let me point out one important thing: An iPad is already good enough for damn near everything consumers want to do, and a keyboard turns it into a viable netbook, and does so with excellent performance and quality at a price point commensurate with really lousy Windows PCs. It works, I see my wife using this combination literally every day (when, previously, she wanted a clapped-out laptop).

This is important because the primary draw if Windows for two decades has been the vast applications base, which no one else could match. Unfortunately for Windows, iOS built a similar applications base while Microsoft was thrashing around trying to figure out a phone strategy. It's way past critical mass. And Android ain't doing half bad either.

So, for the first time in two and a half decades Microsoft (and Intel) is faced with competition that is not only less expensive, but is fully supported by software.

Think I'm overstating things? Look at tablet sales. They're at about a third of PC sales volume and growing very fast. This more than explains the fall of the PC market. It isn't netbooks at fault at all, it's high function, inexpensive tablets,

WinRT is intended to counter this by giving Microsoft an ARM initiative. Unfortunately Microsoft is stuck between a rock and a hard place with ARM. On the one hand, it has near zero applications support, with only Office providing any help at all (and office suites that work perfectly well for most consumers are a dime a dozen these days elsewhere). On the other, Microsoft has to worry about share price, hence revenue, hence they cannot afford for ASP of the RT systems to be much below that if traditional PCs.

Windows and Office pull in about $130 per PC on average. WinRT is more price conscious, at about $100 for the combination. Microsoft expects to make up the difference in volume.

Now, consider that $100 is almost half the cost of a Nexus7, which is sold pretty much at cost by Google. It's a third of the cost of iPad mini, and almost a third of the lower end 10" Android laptops.

If you're a hardware vendor trying to build tablets to compete against Apple and Google, $100 takes you right out of of price contention. You can't cheap out on chassis and componentry to make up the difference, it's too vast. And you really can't do it when you're looking at almost no volume.

The cost of WinRT needs to drop by around 90% to compete with Android, and more than half to compete with Apple. And that, my friends, would crush Microsoft's earnings if it took off. They simply cannot do it without getting fired by the shareholders.

That is the market Microsoft is facing, and there are no easy solutions. WinRT is their best hope, and it's untenable in volume, pricing, and applications for at least the next few (critical!) years. No matter what, Intel based systems will have difficulty competing with ARM because you can't shrink hardware requirements much without hurting legacy performance too much.

Put all of that together and you can easily see the cost land effect of Microsoft being so very late to market with ARM-based stuff. They can't even afford to keep Office off of competing systems much longer or they will lose those (huge!) markets to competitors.

This looks, to me, like a replay of the same forces that killed mainframes and minicomputers to Microsoft's benefit, with Microsoft and the incumbent this time around.

Probably most of your audience will disagree with this, but no matter. Microsoft going forward is going to be pushed into the server room, their stuff is just too expensive for the desktop now.

SebSemmi
on Jan 6, 2013

great comment, totally agree

Simon Hibbs
on Jan 7, 2013

An excellent overview of the situation, just missing the fact that Microsoft has done absolutely everything in it's power to make it has hard as humanly possible for developers to support their mobile platform. Bear in mind that WinRT is their second mobile OS designed to compete with the iPad and Android. They actually built WP7 from the ground up, pushed it on their OEMs, urging developers to invest in it, knowing full well they were going to can it a year or two later. Unbelievable.

What makes it hard to understand is that WP7 was a nice platform, with good performance and a svelte disk footprint. Perfect for ARM tablets. I suppose the problem was they were unwilling or unable to rewrite Office for it.

satkinsn
on Jan 6, 2013

jimfrost -

First, nice notes. I learned a lot.

Second, questions:

Does Microsoft have to go all the way to Google's price point in order to compete? My guess would be a $50 premium would ok, but I have nothing to base that on.

Second, what if you take Windows itself out of the ARM equation, for the most part, and concentrate on what you can get for Office as a service? In that scenario, people are buying $249 Windows tablets without Office, liking them, and corporations are following the lead of what the BYODers are bringing to work, but adding Office.

I agree Microsoft has a very narrow path ahead, if there is one at all. I disagree that the matter is already settled.

jimfrost
on Jan 7, 2013

I am pretty sure that you can get away with a premium if you offer real strengths. Microsoft can probably do it based purely on the Office brand, and we sure do see Apple doing just fine with a combination of excellent hardware and a deep ecosystem.

The big thing, though, is the chicken-and-egg issue with the WinRT ecosystem. There are so many legacy app guys who make stuff we want that have absolutely no incentive to rewrite for WinRT any time soon, not with a microscopically small market. It's far more cost effective and less risky in the short term to continue to develop for Win32. If you want to build out a new software codebase for tablets, it's pretty darn hard to see why it should be WinRT when there are a hundred million iPads already out there, too.

Office as a service? Maybe. Certainly Microsoft thinks at will work. The big problem with that is Google is doing a fine job with Google Docs and it's far less expensive than anything Microsoft can really afford to do. For the lion's share of document work that stuff works fine. So, Microsoft is going to have to sell it to people who really need the finer details of Office, a smaller market than core document services to be sure.

I was surprised to find that my daughter's school is teaching computer skills with Chromebooks and Google Docs, starting last year. It used to be Office, but the Microsoft/Intel technologies literally priced themselves out of the educational market (both in terms of capital costs and very much administrative overhead).

Here's a useful rule of thumb that I call Jim's Law: The Cheapest Thing That Gets The Job Done Wins.

For decades, that was Windows and Microsoft products. It isn't anymore. It isn't even close anymore. Business will cling to those technologies for a long time for both good and bad reasons, but consumers are far more fickle as well as more price conscious. They are already very much on the move to ARM. It does what they want and it's way less expensive.

The market is reacting to that. If you want to know where the market is going, look at where the software developers are in demand. That isn't Windows anymore, and it hasn't been for a couple of years. It's Web technologies and iOS, mostly. And why not? That's where the customers are now.

I have some misgivings about that (after all, I make a bunch of money building stuff for Windows), especially since the core of Windows has started to improve significantly for the first time in a decade (I want ReFS on my damn workstation now! NTFS blows, it's amazingly slow compared to almost everything else) even if I think the Win8 UI choices may have been ill-advised. But in cold hard reality, Moore's Law and opportunistic competitors have turned the crank and Microsoft was very, very slow to react with competitive systems like WinPhone and WinRT ... and even when they did react, they thrashed around with different strategies and confused the market and developers alike.

To be frank, I put the blame for a lot of this on Ballmer. He was, and is, a terrible choice to lead a software company. He is too single-minded, too focused on selling, too convinced in his own invincibility to read threats appropriately. And, importantly, too quick to kill potential new technologies (like Courier!) because he's worried about how they might cannibalize their existing markets.

Maybe Gates would have been better, it's hard to say since they haven't ever faced competitors that are so deeply less expensive before, but for sure when you start ignoring new technologies because you don't like what they might do to your bottom line you are setting yourself up to be undercut.

That's what's been happening. And, at this point, I'm not at all sure that Microsoft can salvage the consumer market, and as volumes go up and prices come down more and more of those consumer technologies are impinging on the workforce too. It's a tough nut to crack.

They really should get rid of Ballmer though, it's really a shame that it'll have to wait until Microsoft has a couple of disastrous quarters. That is coming, though, and much sooner than many people think. They're already losing billions of dollars a year to the iPad and scrambling to make that up by charging businesses more for CALs and such. There's only so much of of that you can get away with before the businesses start to rebel, of course.

SebSemmi
on Jan 6, 2013

I’m irritated by your conclusion Microsoft and the OEMs have to make there products cheaper, not better…

pthurrott
on Jan 6, 2013

That was more of an oversight than anything. The build quality of Surface should be the baseline going forward. And that device should start at $500 with a keyboard/touch cover. The sweet spot here is clearly $500 to $700, and one has to think that PC makers could absolutely make money there ... and deliver quality products too. Undercut Apple, match the quality.

SebSemmi
on Jan 6, 2013

but it would be become again a race to the bottom, the OEMs only can differentiate same self by price

The Other Paul
on Jan 6, 2013

Good article. A little speculative, perhaps, but it's hard to deny. A great thing about Windows 8 is that it can do great things on great hardware, like Yoga, and it can do a few ok things on really crappy $400 hardware. I think Microsoft is getting tuned into this and that's why it has beefed up its certification for Windows 8 tablets. That is good for making sure people are happy with their tablets but it also pushes up prices. Right now, in a crummy economy with tight supplies of hardware, especially tight supplies of touchscreens, it is easy for people to sit back and wait, expecting Yoga quality for $400. It will take awhile to see that this isn't going to happen. Expectations will need to be reset and that takes time.

It is amusing to read all the hand wringing in these comments. I'm reading this on a Samsung 500t tablet, and am delighted with it. Sure it cost nearly $800 including keyboard, software, and accessories from the Microsoft store. The battery life and stylus and light weight and responsiveness are all a big improvement over anything I have owned previously, and I have never paid so little for a machine I rely upon so much. I am not worried at all about the future of Windows 8.

satkinsn
on Jan 6, 2013

Paul wrote, in part:

"...that device should start at $500 with a keyboard/touch cover. The sweet spot here is clearly $500 to $700, and one has to think that PC makers could absolutely make money there ... and deliver quality products too."

I'm not sure what device you're talking about here, a laptop or a tablet or a hybrid, but if tablet, then aren't you overshooting the mark? An iPad can be had for well less than $500 and the buyer has the security of an established product with a big eco-system.

BrickEngraver
on Jan 6, 2013

I guess I am completely different from most of the posters here. I work at a computer at least 80 hours a week and what I want is ultimate build quality, great keyboard, speedy enough to run my graphics software and everything else I throw at it. Even though not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, any tool I use all the time, I want to be a joy to use. Not just serviceable, but a joy. Hoping the new ThinkPad Carbon touch will fill that need for a laptop and ThinkPad Tablet 2 for my tablet. One thing pretty much guaranteed is both will have superior keyboards and excellent build and durability. (And have to buy TP because I am a TrackPoint addict). We will see.

NeilPost
on Jan 7, 2013

The data is also skewed, as netbooks aside, Windows 7 has been pretty much successfully ethnically cleansed from the retail supply chain. I did try to source a Windows 7 HomePr Core i5 laptop for a friend, but was defeated. They 'settled' for a Windows 8 one, and hate it.

pthurrott
on Jan 7, 2013

Not at all. This happens with every Windows version. You couldn't buy a Windows Vista laptop a month after Windows 7 shipped either. Same thing, not skewed at all.

NeilPost
on Jan 8, 2013

I tend to disagree - it was much quicker this time, for general laptops.

The ultimate subject of this discussion the net book also extended Windows XP beyond all recognition too.

tboggs13
on Jan 7, 2013

I think Paul left out one import piece of information from the NPD report:

"Sales of Windows notebooks under $500 fell by 16 percent while notebooks priced above $500 increased 4 percent. Macbook sales dropped 6 percent while the ASPs rose almost $100 to $1419."

So, year over year, Apple lost share in the $500+ category while Windows gained share?

Of course, increases and decreases are an easily misleading stat, but if I remember correctly, Apple is the leader in Notebooks, so a 6% drop would be pretty significant. On the Windows side, there was a 4% increase in sales of devices that compete with Apple Notebooks ($500+). Couldn't that be considered a win?

I think Apple retook the crown as the largest OEM of Notebooks, but I don't think their total sales would exceed the combined sales of all $500+ Windows Notebooks. That being the case, an increase of 4% on the Windows side and a decrease of 6% on the Apple side could be quite a shift for upper end devices.

jeffsters
on Jan 7, 2013

It's important to note that Apple doesn't play in the sub $500 market so any economic factors are going to be felt upwards. In addition Apple is in a different position in that it has two form factor tablets that are selling quite well and could be eating into the lower end notebook sales. In my case I bought an 11" Macbook Air and really struggled with the use cases of it vs. a 10" iPad. In my case I bought both but I can see for some the lower priced Air is no longer the slam dunk it was and some of those sale going to the iPad. On the other hand the new MacBook Pro's, with retina displays, could have seen an uptick though not enough to offset the move to the iPad other than in an increase in ASP. I guess we'll know for sure when Apple releases their numbers.

pjsercel
on Jan 7, 2013

Apple's entry price for a Mac notebook is $999. They do not play in either the sub $500 market or in the $500 to $900 market.

The reason for the massive drop in demand for sub $500 PC's is, quite clearly, disruption from the iPad and iPad Mini.

As far as the reason for the 4% in $500+ PC sales, I would speculate that this is a direct result of Apple's higher Mac ASP's. In essence, Apple has traded sales volume in Mac Notebooks for higher prices and higher margins.

This all part of Apple's strategy to position iPads as low-end (sub $900, but still highly profitable) consumer computing devices, and Macs as high end, high margin, professional systems.

jimfrost
on Jan 7, 2013

If you combine both above- and below-$500 data, you get a net loss to Windows laptops of 12%. There's some rounding involved though, the combined data I saw was -11%. Macs saw reduced sales too, -6%, but in terms of PC market share they grew (since they lost less).

Apple is nowhere near dominant in laptops as a whole, even though they've been one of the top suppliers for the last several years, and even though their share has been growing slowly for years. Generally speaking, I think we can continue to consider Macs as noise in the sales. If I were a betting man I'd bet Macs never become a really significant force. Jobs certainly didn't think so, that's why Apple branched out almost immediately when he got back. (If what you're doing isn't working, try something else!)

The overall laptop market shrank significantly last quarter, including Apple. In fact, it's been having trouble for almost two years. At first they were blaming it on flooding in Thailand, even though we didn't ever see real availability problems for laptops, only some configurations of laptops. I think they were grasping for any reason, and that was something everyone knew about. With luck, the numbers come back next quarter, right? Or maybe the one after that. It happened before, for short periods and it was ok in the long run. When the shortage stops the backlog is great for your numbers.

By mid-2012, though, the numbers were getting worse rather than better and there was no supply chain problem to complain about anymore. Everyone started blaming the iPad, because they're not stupid: That's what people were buying lots of.

ARM tablets are in fact eating up the low end of the PC market very rapidly. At the end of 2011 the numbers were about 1 in 5 tablet sales displacing a laptop sale. Today, it is about 1 in 3.

That's really bad news for the laptop guys, but many of them do have the option of building ARM stuff, and most of them are. It's horrible news for Microsoft, because nobody is buying WinRT tablets, and those are the only Windows tablets that have a chance at competing price-wise with the iOS and Android stuff.

Most of the Windows manufacturers got the picture right away and are dumping WinRT and hanging their hopes on Win8, Surface Pro type tablets, since they are "real" Windows. Unfortunately the cost of those things is about twice what it needs to be to compete with the ARM-based offerings, and almost as bad compared to traditional Windows laptops.

And that, in my opinion, has been the problem with Windows tablets all along. I know everyone blamed it on XP and Win7 not having very good touch interfaces, but really they worked well enough and were successful in niches where the form factor was more important than cost. Unfortunately there weren't that many people who were willing to spend almost twice as much on a tablet as they could for a laptop with similar hardware. Who would have seen *that* coming, right?

A decade has gone by and that pricing disparity is still in force. You can buy a Surface Pro for $800 in a few weeks, and get 64G disk (flash) and 2GB RAM for that. The non-Microsoft tablety products are pretty much the same. Or, you can buy a traditional laptop for $500 that has ten times or more disk and three times the RAM. Unless you've got a form factor restriction that screams tablet, are you really going to pay almost twice for a lot less bang? Why is that suddenly more appealing today than it was for the last decade?

It isn't. I'm sure Microsoft will sell a bunch of Surface Pros (they are, after all, beautiful), but they'll sell at low-volume laptop numbers, not at iPad numbers, they're just too expensive to do any better. Much too expensive. And those sales are going to all be up front, in the pop; once the people who buy beautiful things get theirs, you're done.

None of the competitors are likely to do all that well either because they have the same constraints; you just plain need a lot of hardware to run Win8 and it costs real money to add touchscreen technologies and such. It looks from initial prices that adding the touch technologies alone bumps prices up around $200, or 40% or so of the price of a budget laptop. Do you want touch that bad?

Microsoft really needs big numbers one way or another because at 1 in 3 cannibalization of Windows laptops from tablet sales, and tablet projections north of 120M units, Microsoft stands to lose 40+ million Windows client sales in 2013. At $130 a pop (Windows+Office ASP) that's $5.2B in lost sales in 2013 alone. Last year it was in excess of $3B, more than enough to wake Microsoft up to the fact that they have a real problem.

It's numbers like that which explain Microsoft's recent product pricing moves. They need to recoup that revenue any way they can because they cannot let revenue flag lest they lose the confidence of Wall Street. And let me tell you, Wall Street is already grumbling about firing Ballmer, and it isn't even bloody yet.

That means moving Office to a subscription, so you don't just buy a copy and use it for a decade like we have all been doing, you buy it over and over again and end up paying three times as much over the long term. It means charging more for client access licenses, especially in cases where the clients are probably not Windows. It means charging more for servers, because server prices are less sensitive than client prices. Etc.

Apple would be feeling this in their bottom line too if it weren't for the fact that they're the one making the device cannibalizing nearly all of those sales (and unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't have any server sales to speak of to fall back on). Some number of tablet sales is costing them a laptop sale too, but they're selling a bunch of $600ish tablets in the process, at wicked margins even compared to their existing high-margin laptops. They can lose a laptop sale every 4 or 5 tablet sales and smile all the way to the bank, they made that money and more anyway.

So anyway, I don't think loss of netbooks and low-end laptops and Apple's growing PC market share is evidence that people are preferring more expensive Apple-type laptops; Apple is only doing marginally better than everyone else in that market, but still losing at a significant and growing pace. The people who are willing to spend for performance and durability are there, but it's the broad market that makes or breaks volume, and we know from long history that they prefer cheap above almost everything else ... that is, after all, why we have lots of $400 junk laptops and used to have netbooks. When Windows was the only choice, that's what a lot of people wanted, even if it kinda sucked.

As such I think it's very much wishful thinking that tweaking the laptop design in some way is suddenly going to make people decide to spend hundreds more for a laptop than they have been, and buy at higher volume too. Intel tried hard with ultrabooks, and look where it got them. The problem is that these things -- even the cheapest laptops -- are too expensive relative to ARM, and they simply cannot make them any cheaper or they would have already done so while competing with each other. The customers didn't come to ultrabooks because that wasn't the problem. New competition was the problem.

The thing I don't get is why this isn't obvious to everyone. We're all reading the same market data, right? If we presume approximately the same dollars spent quarter-to-quarter, or maybe a little more, then just looking at what's selling and what's not tells the story plain as day. You don't have to guess as to what people want, they're telling you!

The only thing I can figure is that people doing PC market analysis consider Windows systems to be fungible amongst themselves, but not amongst other computing equipment. That was certainly true for a long time, given Windows application base, so it's easy to see why they might think that, and for sure they've almost all been classifying tablet sales separately from PCs. But when we're looking at booming tablet sales and decreasing PC sales, why does that not make you reconsider your core assumptions about the fungibility of the different technologies?

That money is going to those tablets. That means that those tablets are competitors now, in the eyes of the market, clear as day. And if you can't figure out why customers are buying those things instead, you are screwed if you're selling the other stuff.

Here's a hint: ARM tablets are not selling on account of being functionally better than laptops. There is less hardware in those tablets, and it's less capable hardware. They sell because they're cheaper and still work well enough. Only a bit cheaper up front, perhaps, but waaaay cheaper once you start adding in software cost (usually 90% or more less expensive with tablets). If it's possible to use that kind of thing instead of a traditional laptop, why wouldn't you save the money?

Good luck trying to compete with that by making better laptops. Ain't gonna help. Your problem is price, and if you want to fix that you have to talk Intel into much cheaper chips (look how well that worked for the ultrabook guys) and get Microsoft to build a much leaner Windows (uh-oh, Win8 is pretty much the same as Win7 and it's a long way to Win9). Absent both of those things, you're screwed.

That's what the numbers are telling us. The only way to miss it is to not look broadly enough at the market data. If your market research people aren't telling you that you need to fire them, they are idiots.

WaddlzInMn
on Jan 7, 2013

If MS offered an atom based device in the exact form factor as the Surface RT for $650-$700 (including a type cover), I would buy it today. I feel that is a $150-$200 premium for this device.

As it is, there are only a two devices similar to this (at least in my market) that are available today. The Samsung ATIV PC and one offered by ASUS. The Samsung is $750 and has terrible reviews regarding the keyboard disconnecting, the ASUS is $800 and the keyboard is extra and doesn't seem to be available. There is an HP envy X2 supposedly shipping soon that meets this form factor too, but it's $850 on MS's website.

As I see it, if MS and it's partners can't fulfull the buying desires of its fans like me (who would pay a premium for new device designs that utiliize new touch capabilities), then what chance does it have selling to a skeptical audience who has seen nothing but cheap netbooks and low-rent laptops for years?

bioadam
on Jan 7, 2013

Paul makes two astute conclusions about the market for Windows 8. No existing PCs have multi-touch. The cheapest and best selling PCs do not have multi-touch. In the current PC market, no multi-touch OS could match the success of Windows 7.

pjsercel
on Jan 7, 2013

People don't want to pay for high end Windows PC's precisely because they run Windows. The Windows 8 touchscreen experience is not transformative to the experience of operating a PC. In other words, it doesn't add any value to the product, it just makes it more expensive.

Apple correctly predicted two things:

1) A well executed, touch only computing platform would be a transformative user experience. By leaving out the moving parts: the hinged screen, the keyboard, and the trackpad; Apple was able to bring to market a profitable, desirable alternative to the Netbook.

2) By keeping Mac's high-end professional machines, Apple was able to prevent the brand value erosion that Microsoft is encountering with Windows. (Of course, it helps that Macs offer a better user experience than Windows PCs.)

With these two insights, Apple has been able to sell its users two well executed and satisfying products, where Microsoft is failing at selling a single compromised product.

TomComputer
on Jan 8, 2013

The other thing is the fact that MS raised the prices of Win 7 licenses to the Dell/HP/Lenovos of the world which caused the retail guys to stop selling Win 7. You can't buy new Win 7 machines at Best Buy, Office Depot or Frys after the current stock and open box units are gone. I talked to people at BB and Fry's today and they more or less agreed they were losing sale since people didn't want 8 and couldn't buy win 7. Only Fry's had some new machines left here in Austin. I think MS has really made another boneheaded decision here which will keep their stock price down. I don' t know how Balmer survives -- stock price flat for 7 years or so and look at Apple! Incredible.

jescott418
on Jan 9, 2013

OK I just sold my last Macbook Pro and bought a Lenovo Edge 430 and have never been happier. I myself feel Apple has over priced and over sold Mac's and now it too is feeling the preasure from its iPad sales. I think a lot of people, consumers mostly can do what they need with a $500 or less tablet. So first we had the netbook's stealing PC sales and now we have cheaper tablets doing the same. Windows 8 does nothing to improve what most people do with a internet device. After all most consumers use a browser 80% of the time for most of their needs. I think Microsoft has created touch which only adds to the cost of a PC and that may be its downfall. The Surface to me is not acceptable but only because of the price. I think if Microsoft had given the Surface a more agressive price this holiday. They may have done better.

jsoulejr
on Jan 9, 2013

I disagree on a small point, netbooks evolved into tablets ...

nztjbv
on Jan 13, 2013

Aside from new PC sales, is it possible to track the number of new home built computers?

evildog
on Jan 29, 2013

As a consumer I was able to buy new windows 7 machines right away. no problem at all.

But new touch based Windows 8 machines, I simply could not find anywhere. And while I am happy to buy a $200 cheapie laptop without ever seeing it. I will not buy a $500 plus machine without at least getting a chance to see if I like it.

So, what am I supposed to do? Today jan 29th my local Costco has no touch machines in stock. My local Best buy sucks and I am not willing to shop there. The "paper" stores don't have them either. I could drive to a Microsoft store but it is a little too far and I don't want to.

So , as a consumer how can I buy a "new" product that Microsoft and its partners have failed to put on a retail shelf for me.

And while I am at it, why is Microsoft still not selling cheaper unlocked smartphones with windows 8 for US consumers? I don't want a 2 year lock in.

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