The Final Piece of the Hybrid PC Puzzle

Hybrid mobile PCs are great, but they leave desktop use out of the equation

With Windows 8, Microsoft and the PC world are ushering in a new age of hybrid mobile PCs and devices, where the screen contains the “guts” of the system and can be used as a standalone tablet or plugged into a keyboard base for a laptop-like experience. These diverse devices are the future of mobile computing, no doubt about it. But there’s a missing piece to this puzzle, one that I think will put these designs over the top.

I’m speaking, of course, about the lowly dock. Or port replicator. Whatever you want to call it, what’s needed is a way to bridge the gap between stationary computing at a desk or workstation and truly mobile computing, on the go.

This is an area where Microsoft should innovate. It’s Surface RT and Surface Pro devices both feature what’s called a “cover port”; this is where the Type Cover and Touch Cover connect to the devices, making that satisfying and high-quality “click” sound. But this port can and should also be used to connect a dock, so that you can more easily use the device with desktop components like a large screen and external keyboard, mouse, and web cam.

Today, the situation with these devices in particular is lacking. Both contain only a single USB port (USB 2.0 on the Surface RT and USB 3.0 on Surface Pro), and their awkward location makes connecting third party port replicator solutions—a true dock is impossible thanks to the current design—less than ideal because you need to connect a second cable for video. (Further complicating matters: The Surface RT and Surface Pro use different video-out solutions.)

While this device is dated, I’ve been testing a USB 2.0-based Lenovo ThinkPad port replicator with various Windows 8 machines. I can’t get video out to work, necessitating the second cable, and while I’m interested in buying the newer USB 3.0 version, my lack of success with video makes me less likely to even bother trying.

Better than plugging in one or two cables, of course, is just having a true dock solution. The BUILD developer tablet, a prototype Samsung Series 7, includes such a dock, and while I originally found it lacking, it’s a huge improvement over using a port replicator because off its plug and play (literally) functionality. It features only a single USB port, but you can add a USB hub for more devices, and they can all be permanently connected. Only the tablet would come and go. Ideal.

I suspect the Surface cover port make a dock difficult, because users would need to keep disconnecting their Type/Touch Cover and then remember to bring them when they were on the go. But I’d still like to see such a thing happen. It would put Surface—or whatever device does implement such a design—over the top.

You can do this, Microsoft. One PC that does it all.

Discuss this Article 41

jeffkibuule
on Jan 22, 2013

This is what makes the lack of Thunderbolt disappointing. It basically enables port replication and isn't specific to any one OEM vendor building a custom dock for a device. The only thing it lacks is power to charge the device though.

jhoff80
on Jan 22, 2013

Well, this would have been much easier if they had just chosen to implement Thunderbolt instead of just a mini-DisplayPort.

gwydionjhr
on Jan 22, 2013

How close does the Acer W700 get to this ideal? I'm still have yet to see an example of one here in Canada.

thundr35
on Jan 22, 2013

@gwydionjhr

I have a w700 and the included dock only adds 3 usb ports. Not sure what else you'd really need otherwise...wan/lan maybe? It's odd that Paul hasn't really said anything about the w700 given how much it does right. Great cpu, battery life and price (tab/dock/bt keyboard/case included). Only thing is its not available everywhere. (got mine from amazon for less than 900 - i5 but can be had for around 800 with an i3).

zicoz
on Jan 22, 2013

The problem With the W700 and most of the docks out there is that it has no HDMI, the W700 dock doesn't even have a NIC.

They need some real tablets (Ivy Bridge/Haswell) with docks that has HDMI and NIC.

thundr35
on Jan 22, 2013

Paul, what would you consider to be an actual 'dock'? a stable place to put your device with a couple of extra usb ports or something a bit beefier? (video out, lan/wan port, audio) . With the way that people are currently using these devices do you see a real need for the docks of yesteryear or are you suggesting the "if you build it" - docks "they will come" business users strategy?

My Acer w700 comes with a "dock" but it only adds 3 usb ports and allows the device to be used in 2 different orientations, seems plenty to me as the device itself has video/audio out. Wan/lan would be nice, but wifi seems pretty fast so far.

rypinbubs
on Jan 22, 2013

I've been using the Targus USB 3 dual docking station with a dell xps 12. It's fantastic!

pthurrott
on Jan 22, 2013

This is Windows 8, right? I need to find something that does work.

hans.shinton
on Jan 22, 2013

I also use the targus USB3.0 usb dock, with my HP and Lenovo win8 machines, works flawlessly. One expected "surface" drawback, i bought the version with the universal power adapters, and there is no adapter for the surface in there, so you will need to still use the surface power supply. Otherwise i would expect on the Surface pro you would be able to use it just fine, display link and all.. not sure about RT but i will find out in a couple weeks...

arrow22
on Jan 22, 2013

Yeah, I can't imagine why a dock solution wouldn't have been part of the original Surface design scope. In fact, I'm sure it was. Would be interesting to hear why it didn't make it into the final product.

JCerna
on Jan 22, 2013

Paul this device gives you mouse, keyboard, audio, and video but you can only use it on x86 x64 machines only one usb 2.0 required.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PXPPNA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp...

pthurrott
on Jan 22, 2013

Nice, thanks!

plantagenet
on Jan 22, 2013

Wouldn't wireless be the way to go for a device like the surface?

Not having the do anything other than walk into your office and have the device connect wirelessly to the dock would be the perfect solution.

pthurrott
on Jan 22, 2013

I don't think so. You'd still need to charge the device, so that's something to plug in (and hard on a Surface). I'd rather have a dock you can just plug the device into, and it would charge through that.

Glenn Marston
on Jan 22, 2013

I wonder if the HP ElitePad with docking station covers the bases: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ad/elitepad/specs.html. Further specs: http://bit.ly/XUGEKk and http://bit.ly/SwznkF.

northerngeek
on Jan 22, 2013

I always imagined a surface dock working with the right hand side of the surface, stood up in portrait, utilising the power, USB and display ports. Unfortunately I see that on the Pro model this is impossible given the location of the USB 3 port. Damn.

As for other Win8 tablets I completely agree, a dock would truly make Windows 8 make sense as a hybrid OS for me and those in my business. The other option is to end up using Skydrive to sync between a workhorse PC and Tablet (a reasonable experience but nowhere near optimal).

I'm sure it's too late for this but I also wished Microsoft could have designed the cover with a "pass-through" port to on the Surface cover's "spine", thus allowing a dock.

I'll most likely end up purchasing a Surface Pro (I'm predictably irrational in that sense) but the first device to compete in build quality that offers a dock will not only get a sale from me but most likely my entire department.

tboggs13
on Jan 22, 2013

I sitting here with the new Dell Latitude 10 tablet next to me in it's dock. It's a nice dock aesthetically, but lacks for our environment on important think, support for dual monitors and support for DisplayPort.

The Latitude line is their business line and we utilize Dell Professional and Ultrasharp monitors in the workplace. The Pro line has VGA and DVI inputs. The Ultrasharp line add DP to the mix. Guess what the dock has? HDMI. No way to connect out of the box without a dongle. I would understand this for the XPS series, but for the Latitude?

I would say that the Surface Pro appears to be the perfect device on paper, with the exception of a dock. If I could dock it and drive two monitors, we would be replacing most of the laptops in our company with Surface tablets.

My understanding is that the latest revision of the DP standard supports daisy chaining monitors and can even feed USB over DP. Either that or Thunderbolt would be put the Windows tablets over the top.

Why can't OEM's get it right. Every solution I have seen so far has lacked one thing or another. No dock, incompatible display ports, Atom processors, ARM processors, no pen input or really poor battery lige. I want it all. I want it now. It's all available, why can't they put it in one package?

ewoodrick
on Jan 22, 2013

So what if you need a dongle?
Now, just as soon as you hook both monitors up, you are going to wonder why touch doesn't work on them. Oh yeah, you really want to get touch monitors.

tboggs13
on Jan 22, 2013

Why have a dongle? Dell makes the monitors and they make the dock. Why not make them compatible out of the box? This is the type of PC OEM thinking that makes Apple look good. Simple things.

At work, I don't use touch on my dual monitors. I spend 98% of my time in the desktop and don't really see the need. It's funny that on a desktop I don't even think about touching the screen, perhaps because the monitors are so far away, but on a laptop I immediately reach for the screen.

Has anyone tried using dual touch monitors with Windows 8? I remember experimenting with touch on Windows 7 and it really didn't work well with two touch enable monitors.

pthurrott
on Jan 22, 2013

By the way ... I bought this, will see if it works with Surface Pro. (A USB 3.0 version of a device someone had recommended above, is supposed to work with Windows 8.)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008N06I2I/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

jhoff80
on Jan 22, 2013

It should work, but the video will get compressed on the fly, because of bandwidth requirements.

InfoDave
on Jan 22, 2013

"These diverse devices are the future of mobile computing, no doubt about it."

I think this is yet to be decided. Is this the future, or is this what Microsoft had to do to make Windows work on a tablet? It all depends on how well these devices are received in the market place. It all depends on how we decide to separate real work from content consumption.

For me, it comes down to the simple need of editing text. If you need to select text to any degree, you need a mouse. That dictates a graphical user interface (GUI), consisting of windows, icons, menus and a pointer (mouse). The natural user interface (NUI) of today's mobile devices rely on touch and voice, and that doesn't lend itself to the task of text manipulation.

Microsoft's solution is to put the GUI (legacy Windows) and the NUI (Metro) on one device. To this point, Microsoft is unique with that approach. The jury is still out as to how successful they will be.

ewoodrick
on Jan 22, 2013

InfoDave, before you sentence the Surface Pro to prison, why don't you try it out?

Because if you would, I suspect that you'd find out that the Surface Pro is probably one of the best machines for text editing that exists. Why? Because it has a pen, which allows a much more normal interface that a mouse does. Point at the insert space with the pen and voila, it works!

I find Windows 8 an extremely successful integration of the GUI, NUI, and even green screen monitor environments into one platform. I easily, just about transparently switch between any of the modes to optimize my interaction.
If I'm web browsing, I might just use the on-screen keyboard. If typing, I use the keyboard. If editing, either the pen or the mouse. They all work.
Try to do this on an iPad or Android device!

InfoDave
on Jan 22, 2013

ewoodrick: Not willing to pass judgement on Surface Pro, I'm just tired of giddy anticipation. Let's let the market decide. That's the only opinion that counts. That's where the profits are.

sbattagl
on Jan 22, 2013

I have been waiting for such a solution. It seems that Dell is working on something very interesting. Their site says a wireless dock is coming soon for their new Littitude ultrabook. A phone call to sales and tech support didn't turn up any additional info or ETA.

Bacchus1976
on Jan 22, 2013

Yes, yes a million times yes.

If I could buy a surface with a touch cover for on-the-go. A dock that charges, extends the monitor, and accepts USB devices for my desktop and a Bluetooth MS touch mouse and arc keyboard I'd be set. This would mean that my Surface and Xbox would cover all my home media/computing needs. Bye-bye Dell.

ewoodrick
on Jan 22, 2013

That sounds like the Latitude 12. Maybe you ought to be saying Hello to Dell instead of Goodbye!

jwpear
on Jan 22, 2013

You've described exactly what I have been waiting for. I want a true dock that I can quickly sit the tablet in and immediately be able to use my 24 inch monitor, butterfly keyboard, mouse, and speakers. I don't want to have to fumble with cables like you have to do with the USB-based port replicators of today. One PC, with the Surface Pro hardware quality, that I can use as a true desktop, a laptop, or a tablet would be awesome!

Maybe someday we'll get to a point that you can use wireless for all these components. Bluetooth mice suck both in style and function. I haven't seen much on the WiDi front for monitors. And I haven't seen any butterfly Bluetooth keyboards.

MorganRW
on Jan 22, 2013

I agree. I dont want to have to deal with cables or connections. I want something I can just deposit the device into or onto and the device is connected to one or more monitors, full keyboard and mouse. Wireless charging on the QI standard would be best with wireless connectivity. Ultimately I would like to be able to do this with a tablet or even my windows phone. How amazing would it be to have your phone just be everything?

georgeanoop
on Jan 22, 2013

I have been using the DisplayLink based USB3.0 port replicator for a while now and it works flawlessly. The one that i have is the HP 3005pr which has a hdmi and a display port + a whole bunch of other port which enables me to have dual screen display.

more info at www.displaylink.com

letsplaynicely
on Jan 22, 2013

Absolutely agree with jwpear and MorganRW. I think there's no doubt that wireless display and wireless charging will be standard on all mobile smart devices in a short timescale - (guess less than 3 years??). If MS (and others) don't want Airplay to become the de facto wireless display standard they need to get to a quality solution fast, whether it's WiDi or something else.
In the meanwhile, a docking solution is a good step. And yes, gamer setups and high performance solutions will need docking solutions for a good while to come!

MarkH
on Jan 22, 2013

Paul, this is trivial but what is the docked Lenovo tablet in the main picture for this article? I know nothing about it, but superficially it looks pretty close to the desired device? A tablet that simply docks and gives you a good number of ports...

pthurrott
on Jan 22, 2013
SamR
on Jan 22, 2013

Yes, this is what I want for my new PC

A Surface sized tablet with a "click" based dock which does everything, charge, keyboard and mouse, monitor(s) and ports.

But it needs one more thing, the tablet must last 10 hours on battery and have no fans. It must be a solid state brick which consumes very low power unlike the hundreds of watts my PCs use.

So I just walk around the house and dock it when I want to have a desktop experience. Then use Metro when I don't.

Haswell may allow this.

pattymcfly
on Jan 22, 2013

Supposedly the Displayport 1.2 standard supports USB over displayport but I have yet to find a computer monitor that has an integrated USB hub that transmits over displayport. Display info, audio info and USB over one cable would meet 90%+ of desired functionality out of a dock and the standard already exists.

Paul - do you know of a monitor that can do this??

roncerr
on Jan 23, 2013

"You can do this, Microsoft. One PC that does it all." It's already been done by OQO in the previous decade. Shirt-pocket, full Windows PCs complete with keyboard, track stick, 3 radios, docking station and software to quickly change resolutions. The problem seems to be MS and its partners want to sell each of us 3 devices as well as cloud "services" to tie them all together.

dalestrauss
on Jan 23, 2013

I'm a real advocate of the Thunderbolt solution: (1) could be a universal docking solution for all Core based Windows 8 devise; (2) permits all input/output through a single cabled device; (3) does not require the device to have to "stand up" in a dock - I may want to use my tablet to take notes, or act as a big Cintiq-like input device; and (4) more future proof than proprietary solutions.

NickH
on Jan 23, 2013

This problem is the single reason why we haven't yet ordered new laptops for our sales people. The minute we have a tested solution we are going to order near a hundred of them and I'm sure they're others waiting for this as well.

Seems shortsighted that no one has a full dock yet. We don't have any plans for rolling out Windows 8 to our users but for just tablets it would be acceptable. I would think this would help with windows 8 enterprise adoption.

richv1
on Jan 23, 2013

Amen! I'm looking for a tablet to serve as desktop replacement and a good dock is a requirement! I don't want a usb dock with a virtual video card. Lenovo and Samsung (as pictured in the article) haven't decent docks, though I wish they had dual monitor outputs.

CompUser
on Jan 23, 2013

I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate tablet (128 GB SSD, Windows 7, 4 GB RAM, and 64 GB microSD card for storage) and dock, with a 22" Dell monitor. The monitor has a built in 4-port USB hub (plugged into the dock's USB port), for a total of five useable USB ports including the one in the tablet itself. I use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse (which I prefer over using the tablet's touchscreen), and have a Samsung USB DVD RW drive. Everything is connected through the dock, so when I want to use it as a tablet instead of a dual monitor "desktop" computer system, all I have to do is lift the tablet off the dock and go. (I even have a second power adapter so I don't even have to unplug that from the dock.) It's a great overall setup.

jeffskent
on Jan 23, 2013

Building the perfect dock seems almost as complicated as building the perfect tablet with the numerous trade offs required. When I bought (and then returned) the Surface RT) I simply plugged in my Logitech powered speaker bar with included powered usb ports to connect my usb mouse, printer, and external 2TB drive. I foolishly bought, and then returned, the micro HDMI adaptor used to connect to my home use 27" monitor.

I now plug the same peripherals into my ASUS i7 Nvidia M460 laptop. More cables, but only a minute or two of plugging cables.

I plan to buy the Surface Pro the day it is released. I also plan to continue to use the 27" monitor, 2TB HDD, printer, wireless mouse and keyboard combinations. A few cable plug ins are a small price to pay while I wait for designers to release the perfect dock.

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