Fixing Windows 8, Part 1: App Bar

Let's fix Windows 8 together: Maybe Microsoft will even listen

Over the next year, the Windows team will hopefully be spending much of its time fixing the many problems with Windows 8. Assuming this to be the case, I have a few suggestions for where to start. And this first one involves a pervasive problem in this new OS: A user interface that is not discoverable.

I’m speaking this time about the app bar, a piece of UI “chrome” that debuted first in Windows Phone, as is so often the case with these Metro-style experiences. The app bar is analogous to a toolbar in classic Windows interfaces, or the ribbon in more recent offering. It’s a container for buttons that trigger commands.

Microsoft has mostly screwed up the app bar in the various Metro-style experiences in Windows 8 because it inexplicably hides this UI in a bid to make the display simpler and less cluttered. I’m actually OK with doing that in some cases … but only if you provide some indication that the interface does exist and is there waiting to provide more functionality. And in other cases, many cases, the app bar should simply be visible and available all the time.

Let’s look at an example.

Here’s the Calendar app. It’s simple looking, yes. But some of its best functionality is so well hidden that many people will never even find it.

As with all other Metro experiences in Windows 8, Calendar’s app bar is hidden by default. You can display it, temporarily, by tapping WINKEY + Z (where “Z” stands for … what?), by swiping up from the bottom of a touch-screen (or, stupidly, by swiping down from the top), or by right-clicking with a mouse.

None of those actions are obvious, and unless you’re already a Windows 8 expert, your only hope of finding them is by mistake. That is not good design. But here’s what Calendar looks like with the app bar displayed.

Now we’re getting somewhere. In this case, I’d argue that the app bar should simply be displayed all the time. Alternatively, I’d suggest that Microsoft provide some configuration—app-wise, or perhaps system-wise—that would permanently toggle the display of these app bars, which appear in virtually all of the Metro-style apps that come with Windows 8.

But there is another way.

The issue I really have here is with discoverability. And while I understand that once you discover how something works, you’re probably good to go, the issue here, really, is what I mentioned previously: Most people will only discover the app bar by mistake. That means that they may not even know what triggered this display. Cue frustration.

Go figure, but the Windows Phone team—whom I take to be pariahs at Microsoft since the bigger and more important Windows team stole their UX designs and then went in completely different directions with many of them—already solved this problem. They did so by providing a third app bar state that sits, conceptually, between “on” and “off.” It’s a mini, translucent app bar that displays only an ellipsis (“…”) which, in Metro-speak, means “more.” It is a subtle visual indication that there’s more interface available. Here’s what it looks like:

Do you see it? Down there at the bottom is a subtle, translucent bar. And when you tap this tiny area, you get more, in this case what’s called an app bar menu, another little UX construct that Windows 8 could benefit from greatly. The app bar menu in People only has a single item, Settings. But in other apps, like Photos, there’s more:

Windows 8 needs this translucent mini app bar. In Calendar, it might look like so:

Surely we can spare a few pixels for common sense.

All this said, I’ll just point out that Windows Phone already does Calendar right: In that app on Windows Phone, the app bar is always displayed, and rightfully so:

For many Metro-style apps, such as the productivity apps, the app bar should simply be visible all the time. I don’t care about getting every freaking pixel for email, or for a text editor. I want options. I want to get work done. I do not want to hunt and peck and try to find things. It’s not a game, Microsoft. And neither should be finding the app bar.

Just a thought.

I suspect you have some common sense ideas about fixing Windows 8 as well. Let me know what you’d like Microsoft to fix about Windows 8, and maybe I’ll write it up. And who knows? Maybe Microsoft will even listen.

Discuss this Article 73

Waethorn
on Dec 21, 2012

This is the most common issue that I see with users that have questions on how to find this-or-that in Windows 8. It takes a lot of practise to learn that right-click on a mouse doesn't necessarily bring up a context-sensitive menu beside the mouse cursor anymore. There's a bit of a disconnect between the left-click and right-click now because of this too. For instance, a left-click acts only on the object you're clicking on. A *new* right-click, on the other hand, brings up a UI element that is mostly AWAY from what you clicking on....

Maybe the right-button on a mouse should be relabelled as an "options button" instead.

jrharmon
on Dec 21, 2012

What makes this worse is that the right-mouse button actually act on the object it clicks on, if there is an object there. So if you want to bring up the app bar with the mouse, you have to move it to a part of the screen that doesn't have clickable content.

Waethorn
on Dec 21, 2012

Not always. Not everything can be right-clicked on. In some cases (links in IE10 for instance) they still include a pop-up menu too.

You can also right-click on app tiles in the "app switcher" (is there a name for this thing?) on the left of the screen. You can close or snap apps to mini-mode. Curiously, it's displayed using standard gray Windows desktop styling rather than being Metro-fied.

I never understood why the Desktop has a "close" option though. Does it free up any resources, such as DWM graphics card memory or something?

shark47
on Dec 21, 2012

I find that extremely annoying. They should find a better way to do that. Right click on the desktop and in the Start screen behave differently. The Start screen is not mouse friendly for the most part.

JJohnson1701
on Dec 23, 2012

Paul, This is one of MANY complaints I have about Windows 8. I have had so much trouble figuring out which features are available and which aren't, especially in Mail, Calendar, Travel, Photos, Skype, Music, and Videos, and disappointingly finding that they're so utterly incomplete, that I don't really want to make Windows 8, especially a Surface device, a mainstay of my computing household.

-Windows Live Photo Gallery lets me tag people, photo correct, and geotag (even though it's frustratingly limited to just City/State, and not exact locations); Photos just lets me look
-Zune let me tag videos as TV or Movies and search on that information, synchronize my Phone and Zune, create and edit playlists; Windows Media Player let me create auto-playlists based on criteria; Music and Videos just play a small range of files and are utterly incomplete when it comes to navigation, feature-comparison to Zune/Windows Media Player/itunes, and cannot synchronize data to WP8. For this reason alone I refuse to upgrade to Windows 8. I have a media collection of around 4 TB of music, TV Shows, Movies, and Music Videos. As of now, Microsoft's solutions are horribly incomplete for organization and viewing.
-Internet Explorer Metro has no favorites / history button. All I can do now is constantly swipe up and tap the address bar, which is irritating and not user-friendly at all. I would prefer a separate favorites button to bring up a list of favorite sites, and a separate history button to bring up browsing history with a button on that list to clear history so I don't have to go back to the desktop continually to clear my browsing history.
-Windows Live Messenger was practically flawless as a video chat client, customization of IM text, adding custom emoticons at will, sharing files, viewing YouTube videos together, listening to music together, sending links; Skype is almost worthless as a video chat client and I would dread to use it as a messaging client. My girlfriend has an iPhone and Mac, I have Surface and Windows Phone 8. I cannot count the number of failed video calls from Surface on WinRT to my girlfriend. It's several hundred failed calls by now. She tries calling me, same story. Through some "jiggery pokery" on her end, somehow her call finally comes through, but I cannot do one thing to make video chat work. She swears up and down that Facetime "just works." My question is - why doesn't Skype?

I have numerous other suggestions: http://wp.me/p1fLW2-44

But the point is, Windows 8 should not have been release in the state it's in. I can only hope that Microsoft is incredibly nimble and quick in fixing this OS.

BIGZIPZ
on Dec 21, 2012

I want to be able to run multiple apps on the screen at once. I want my twitter client taking half the screen, and my browser the other half for example.

Jarret
on Dec 21, 2012

You can snap two Metro apps side by side.

zombiebacchus
on Dec 21, 2012

Me too! Just allow me to resize two open metro apps. Confining one to a quarter of the screen is pretty useless.

edenmachine
on Dec 21, 2012

This would be hell for a developer to develop for.

Rev
on Dec 21, 2012

Why is the 1/4, 3/4 thing not good enough for Twitter and web browsing? Do you really need 500 pixels to read 140 character posts?

cwoodruff
on Dec 21, 2012

Could not agree more.

ShinyNugget
on Dec 21, 2012

I have read in several reviews by the usual assortment of tech media and also usability experts this is a major problem with Win8 across the board. How were issues like this allowed to escape from Microsoft testing and evaluation? An OS has to be nothing if not usable and to be so must indicate in some way how the user can accomplish a task. It can't leave users to wander about searching for functionality. I certainly hope MS fixes some of these issues with a patch or soon instead of waiting for the long awaited service packs.

bzibricky
on Dec 21, 2012

This isn't really so much of fix as it is a confusing aspect to the OS - why can't I do everything on the big boy OS (Windows 8) that I can do on it's little brother (Windows Phone)? For instance, why can't I pin an album to the Start Screen in Windows 8? That seems absurd. I have full pin functionality throughout Music and Video on Windows Phone and I can't pin a playlist in Windows 8? Strange.
Another one - it really doesn't bother me much, but just to shut up the complainers why not move the Shut Down command off to your Profile name in the top right of the Start Screen off of your drop down. "Lock" and "Sign Out" are already there - wouldn't it make more sense if "Shut down" were there as well?

jrharmon
on Dec 21, 2012

I'm torn on this, since I agree with the issue of un-discoverability, but I also agree with Microsoft's point where they don't want to waste those pixels at the bottom of almost EVERY app for the next 20 years, just to help users with the FIRST time finding the appbar.

What I think they really screwed up was the "tutorial" during the new account setup. It tells you NOTHING about how to use Windows, or what the sides do. It's even more frustrating, because of how long it is displayed. It just shows the same animation over and over, without telling you what it is doing.

As for the appbar being fully-open all the time, I don't think Microsoft needs to make any changes to Windows for that. Any app that has options that should be visible at all times, are supposed to have those within the app itself, and not on the bar. Then the app has even more control over how they are displayed and accessed. In the email app for example, you don't need to open the app bar to press the New Email button.

Are there plenty of features in the current apps that are hidden on the appbar when they shouldn't be? Definitely, but that is more of an issue with how the app was designed, and not Windows itself.

fgobill
on Dec 21, 2012

I think you have hit the nail on the head with this one. I would probably have liked some translucent ... indicator on the screen at first telling me there were menus I could access when I first tried Windows 8. Or a decent tutorial to take me through it. But once you know they are going to be there in a Windows 8 App, the visual indicator wouldn't be necessary anymore.

RichiCoder
on Dec 21, 2012

Really agree with the WP8 app bar idea. Then Windows 8 app bar design frustrates me to no end as a developer and user.

A few. Things. Some of these were pulled from other forums.

- More tile size options. This is actually a great option in Windows Phone 8 that would make a suprising amount of sense.
- All of control panel options in “PC Settings”
- Metro Windows Explorer.
- A much more attractive and powerful Windows Store. The current Windows Store app just feels weak in so many ways.
- Improved built-in apps. With maybe the exception of Calender and the Bings apps, all the packaged apps are seriously underwhelming. The Mail app pales in comparison with Outlook.com. The Music app is a pain to navigate, lacks many basic common sense features, and is seriously ugly when compared to the old zune software. The Video app just really doesn't do much. Even the Bing app is seriously outclassed by Google's app.
- Far more integrated voice support. With being more and more commonplace on every device you use, the fact that Windows 8 and RT don't have more integrated support for voice within apps doesn't make a lot of sense.
- More customizability and the option like in WP8 to have tiles background match the user's chosen theme color.

That's all I have for now. May add some later.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

Good insight Paul. Here's another annoyance: I multitask a lot, and I love the way Windows 8 does it - it's efficient, fast, intuitive even. Someone only had to show me once how to bring up the left sidebar to pick an app and I got it. Here's the problem though: The tiny thumbnails are a terrible idea. Most of the time, you can't tell what your looking at, and end up spending time searching through for the app you want (especially true for the desktop "app").

Solution: Just display the app's icon. Yes, we're all very impressed that Windows stores a screenshot of the app, which makes for the seamless transition you get when you swipe the app into view. But it provides no benefit at such a tiny size and makes it terribly hard to quickly find the app you want.

johnlavey
on Dec 21, 2012

Actually you can bring up a larger icon on the left side task bar. With a mouse, click on the top left corner of the screen, click and hold the icon you want and drag to the right.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

That hardly makes it more efficient though, right? It's also irrelevant on a touch screen. Nice big icons would make choosing the right app at a glance much quicker.

Notalawyer
on Dec 21, 2012

Hi, Thanks for this opportunity
1) Your "more" icon comment is great. Should be in the bottom center as bringing your mouse to bottom/top right brings up charms and it might confuse what the bottom right corner is reserved for.
2) I believe MSFT's 2-up/two window interface is its great strength. In almost every task I do I have a focus app (2/3 screen) and a "glance/comm" app (1/3 screen). Whether its looking at a map while emailing someone to meet. Or browsing and chatting, or researching and writing etc etc, you are regularly capturing info from one application and converting that into a communication or work product in another. I need a way to quickly bring up sets of these or to choose among running apps into this format. So whether its clicking a live tile that will automatically launch Excel+Mail (2/3+1/3) or IE+messaging (2/3+1/3) etc or alternatively bringing up the "running apps" sidebar and simply tapping the two windows I want listed in 2/3+1/3 format. I need a faster way to bring up the two apps I need in front of my face.
3) I believe the following is most important for RT. MSFT already has a VPN solution in RT. That's great. But to facilitate the move to RT, it should have a service that will image my current PC with data and apps, then let me VPN into it in the cloud for the few times I need access to an x86 machine. Nearly everyone I talk to wants to know if their tablet can replace their "laptop/desktop". No product can solve this fully yet. But Surface is the closest thing, only missing x86 apps people use. I think if they offered something similar to itunes Match; some low flat cost implementation it would free the biggest drawback of RT and let many who want to leave their desktop behind with the security that they could get back to it if they needed to.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

One other thing that was constantly pointed out during the Preview phase which has still not been fixed: when you use the Share Charm to share something to an email for example, a wonderful interface pops up that is really great to use... until you decide to swipe in another app to get an email address, or to refer to something. When you get back to your message, it's gone and you have to start over. Ridiculous.

mting
on Dec 21, 2012

The "Settings" in the Charms bar is a huge one. After installing Windows 8 on my old Lenovo, it took me literally 45mins to an hour to find the settings for Mail (and I consider myself to be a tech enthusiast.) Didn't realise that "settings" also tailored itself to individual apps and not just on the OS level. Some visual indication would've been nice.

edenmachine
on Dec 21, 2012

The developer should provide an in-app button that pops open the charms settings for you. This can easily be done. I actually like the consistency of knowing settings can always be accessed in one place for whatever app you are in.

mting
on Dec 21, 2012

I also agree with the App Bar. Discovered it by mistake after inadvertently right-clicking the mouse.

tboggs13
on Dec 21, 2012

+1 on Paul's suggestions. Although I am accustomed to accessing the options, why do I have keep clicking to access them? The ribbon interface of Office increased efficiency by surfacing options that were buried in menus. The hidden toolbars of Windows 8 are a step back in efficiency.

On the desktop, accessing options is more difficult. I find I have to travel around the screen more to access the features. In Outlook you can right click an object and act on it with the context menu. With Mail, you have to select the item, then right click to access the option then travel to the lower right of the screen to perform the action. Not bad if you do it once in a while, but for highly repetitive tasks it adds a lot of movement, clicks and cumulative time. So, I guess what I really want is a robust context menu that appears close to the mouse.

Add a 50/50 split for side-by-side apps.

All control panel options in the Metro Interface.

Ability to use charms with Desktop Apps. I really like the share feature. I am sad when it is unavailable.

Add Shutdown/Power option to the Account/Logon menu.

Metro on more than one screen.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

Last one: the full screen Start Screen experience IS jarring, when using the desktop. Since Windows 8 supports snapped views that take up a small sliver on the side, why not have a view of the Start Screen that comes up snapped by default when accessed from the desktop? It would use the exact same snap mechanism as any other app, could easily be resized to full screen if needed and wouldn't be as big of a jump from the Start Menu.

toph36
on Dec 21, 2012

Hard to argue common sense! I have Windows 8 and a Windows Phone 8, and I like both. But the visual cues on Windows are better and it would nice to incorporate those into Windows 8 as well.

Jarret
on Dec 21, 2012

My main issue is with the Mail app. It's what I use most in the Metro experience.

Unless I'm totally blind and haven't found it yet, I would love to be able to create folders and have those sync with Outlook.com/Hotmail, as well as drag and drop messages into folders.

Right-clicking, mousing all the way down to select Move, and then mousing back to choose a folder is very inefficient.

My other big annoyance is reordering/rearranging items on the Start screen. Windows' automatic rearranging to fill in blank spaces as you move items around is beyond frustrating. I would like to be able to place items where I want them within the column structure without Windows moving everything else around - I can see that Windows wants to maintain columns, but items get moved around seemingly in a random fashion.

johnlavey
on Dec 21, 2012

Here's my little pet peeve. It's with the search charm. It would be nice if Windows 8 retained a history of searches, similar to the history in browsers, so that when I click on the search charm and start typing, the charm would provide possible fill-ins.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

Speaking of history in browsers... Where the is the history in the Metro IE10?

edenmachine
on Dec 21, 2012

I don't know but I hope my wife doesn't find it before I do!! Yikes!! :)

mting
on Dec 21, 2012

Probably more of a rant than a life-changing suggestion, but perhaps a clock and battery in the "Start" screen. I realise there are plenty of alternative apps/tiles out there, but something as essential as a power indicator and time should be available natively. Adding them in "Charms" is just illogical.

arrow22
on Dec 21, 2012

I like having them in Charms! You can quickly check the time and battery level no matter where you are. Let third parties come up with cool alternatives for the start screen.

DaveHelps
on Dec 21, 2012

Discovery issues aside, I'd also tweak behaviour slightly: if I swipe in from the top, the app bar should appear from the top, and if I swipe in from the bottom it should appear from the bottom.

Jarret
on Dec 21, 2012

Also forgot to mention that Paul's idea of the ... (more bar) is awesome - this is how it's done on Windows Phone and it works very well.

markb
on Dec 21, 2012

I don't mind the app bar being hidden although maybe it could be made pinnable if you want it? The worst part of Windows 8 for me is the Store. When you search for an app all you get presented with is a big screen of icons with the name and a rating. There is little for me to differentiate all the choices for what I want. It really needs to add a one or two line description for each app like searching on Bing/Google would do.

BillG
on Dec 21, 2012

Make the "snapped" window more flexible, not just the narrow bar or full screen.

BillG
on Dec 21, 2012

Add multiple Signatures an option in Windows 8 MAil

ScottM
on Dec 21, 2012

This is the most tricky part of the OS I have to explain to family. Consistency would also be nice, why does the app bar in the Windows Store appear across the top, but the mail client's on the bottom? My 93 year old grandmother actually picked up Windows 8 and loved it, but the hidden app bars were the one constant point of confusion when they would hide a back button or something critical there.

shark47
on Dec 21, 2012

The Windows Phone team gets a lot of this right. For instance, a simple swipe to the right reveals all apps, with an arrow at the bottom of the screen indicating that. In Windows 8, it's more or less hidden in the app m end.

On traditional PCs, it takes a right click to do simple things like seeing the address bar or tabs in the Start Menu IE. that's stupid.

Also, on a regular PC, I don't want my apps running in full screen. The ability to resize like a windows program would be good. (I know Windows 8 supports 3 sizes, but it isn't enough.)

M45
on Dec 21, 2012

I've been using Windows 8 for about 3 weeks & I like it. I use Metro to the extent that I can. I can think of 4 things that keep me in the desktop section.
1. I can't pin files in the Metro section - only programs & folders.
2. I use RoboForm a lot - toolbars can't be used on the Metro side.
3. Some programs & files only run on the desktop side.
4. I do several things with 2 programs/files - each taking up the left or right side of the screen so I can see both at once.
If these issues were resolved, I would spend all, or most all, of my time on the Metro side.

DW
on Dec 21, 2012

It is not the fault of Windows 8 that the team that implemented Calendar (a) decided to use the App Bar for certain options, and (b) didn't male it sticky. Blaming the OS for bad UI design, and then proposing that App Bars in general should be made sticky, is ridiculous.

There are thousands of badly implemented apps on Android, IOS, OSX, Windows (every version) and Windows Phone. I for one don't think that those OS's need to be "fixed" because UI developers are often lazy, poorly trained, and aesthetically challenged.

Take the excellent Fresh Paint, for example, which shows just what you can (and should) do with an App Bar. It is not just a place to put some buttons: it is a full on context switch, implemented superbly. If you focused on just this one app, you would be lauding Windows 8 for its support experience.

As an aside, It took my wife, who is not definitely non-technical, a little under a minute to "discover" the main UI gestures of swiping from the edges. One commenter, mting, stated that he only discovered the App Bar after inadvertently right clicking with the mouse. How did he (or she) discover context menus in previous Windows versions? I'd guess, either because someone told them, or they inadvertently right clicked with the mouse. So nothing changes here.

Lots of people think that Windows 8 is "broken" because it is different. It may be "broken". But articles such as this, which are poorly thought through and use a single app to condemn an OS, won't help address the more significant issues that exist with Windows 8.

What it does do, very successfully though, is highlight that bad UI developers, who fail to understand the changes and fail to invest time in getting UI design right, will produce bad applications: and that is true on every platform.

Timo47
on Dec 21, 2012

Allow the use of background images on the start screen. The fixed decorations provided by the system are almost all ugly as hell. And by starting with the same background image for the start screen and desktop it may even make both environments seem like they are part 1 and the same system.

In maintaining theme of discoverability: bring back the start button (on the button, not the menu!) on the desktop. Clicking an empty corner to go to the start screen is stupid and right-clicking it to bring up the menu for often used system utilities is even more stupid. Some kind of visual cue is needed or users will never find these things.

Make Metro apps easier to use with the mouse. Everything in Metro works with horizontal scrolling. I HATE IT. As anybody who has done any web development should know: horizontal scrolling is a no-no. Yet everything in Metro is exactly that. Microsoft seems to have realized this by enabling some kind of autoscroll when you move your mouse on the start screen. But why was this not implement for inside the Metro apps as well? I hate constantly having to move my mouse down to the scrollbar at the bottom. The screen should move automatically as on the start screen or I should be able to "grab it" as if my mouse is a finger on a touch screen. Similar to how you can grab an app at the top so you can drag it down and close it.

Bring back the floating TIP on the desktop for pen users (yes they still exist). Seriously: this worked fine in Windows 7, why did this have to be removed? Now I constantly have to perform extra movements and clicks to bring up the TIP and to close it again.

And while I'm talking about pen input: whose decision was it to link the language used for interpreting your written text to the keyboard layout? Seriously: does anybody switch their keyboard if they want write a text in different language? I didn't think so. So why does the TIP force me to do so?

And while we're talking about pen use in Windows 8: on any system with the default Microsoft drivers pen input is completely broken. It doesn't even work as if the pen was a mouse:
- moving the cursor to the right corners to bring up the charms menu works if a bit difficult but the left corners don't work at all. While I can click the left bottom pixels of the screen to go to the start screen, the miniature image of the start screen never appears and neither does right-clicking work to bring up the system menu. Activating the app switcher doesn't work either.
- moving the cursor to the right on the start screen does not auto-scroll the screen the way it does with a mouse
- moving the cursor the top of the screen does not activate the hand and it's therefore not possible to close a metro app.

Waethorn
on Dec 21, 2012

Anybody looking for Windows 8 help and tutorials (that you can also give to a friend)?

windows.com/getstarted

Click on the big "Go exploring" link.

This is the same link that System Builder software kits include on the packaging, but I wish Microsoft just pinned the link on every new install. It's 7 webpages (you can ignore the first page because it's just an intro video) of concise help on getting around in Windows 8.

Your welcome!

Sterling
on Dec 21, 2012

Can a developer create some app that enables this feature?

I don't mind that the app bar is hidden but I can see why some would have issues figuring out where controls are, specially someone that isn't that tech-savvy.

I also like the idea of having a ellipses.

korggy
on Dec 21, 2012

Technically speaking, the app bar is not part of the OS so it can't really be "fixed" by Microsoft per se. It's part of the XAML template created by Visual Studio when starting new projects. Developers, if they chose, could make the app bar stay visible all the time, pop up in various places, dance around the screen, cycle through a beatiful rainbow of colors, display a lovable animated paperclip, or anything else. I suspect most developers leave the default behavior enabled in order to be consistent with Microsoft's UX guidelines and the default applications that are shipped with the platform.

The counter-example I always give when discussing discoverability in Windows 8 is that of terminating a running app on iPhone. Terminating an app requires exiting the app, double-clicking the hardware button, pressing-and-holding on the running apps (presuming you knew those were the running apps at the bottom), and then pressing the red X. None of this is intuitive. And yet most people, being naturally inquisitive and able to adapt easily, are somehow able to figure it out. I'd wager that if Apple suddenly designed a radically simpler way to terminate applications, most people would beg them to "put it back the way it was!"

For me Windows 8 is just as discoverable as any other version of Windows or any other gizmo for that matter.

pthurrott
on Dec 21, 2012

I like Windows 8. But "Windows 8 is discoverable" is an oxymoron. It's anything but.

reded23
on Dec 22, 2012

Paul, I love your blog and I always read the articles in the hope of finding new ways to do things. To be honest I think I only missed a couple of things in Win 8 that I hadn't already discovered, so to say its not discoverable is puzzling. Yes there's a some things missing and Xbox music is a joke but I cant understand all the confusion. Like a few others on these comments I discovered most things pretty quickly. BTW once you get used to searching.... why ever would you want the start menu back !

milky_cereal
on Dec 21, 2012

Based on the comments here so far, it looks like this is a common gripe. I too find it annoying. On a touch interface, finding this stuff isn't as difficult, since people using touch are used to things like this. And just by moving your fingers around, you will find some of these things by accident. But the part you mentioned about how Windows Phone handles it seems to be the way to do it.

In a bid to simplify things, they have made it too simple in some cases. They are shooting themselves in the foot. In advertisements, MS is promoting that Windows RT and 8 on touch devices are a real productivity tool. And they are. But the default views on these apps make it seem like they are viewing only, without simple options to do things.

This app bar problem extends to the OS in general. On a touch device with limited real estate, having a status bar of sorts (what we'll call a Taskbar) doesn't make sense. But on a 20"+ screen, it does, since it can be spared. If you are even a moderate power user, the ability to simply see at a glance which apps are open and quickly cycle through them is essential. The reliance on full screen apps is really offputting. For power users, it's frustrating.

Tafkas373
on Dec 21, 2012

Really people? Is it so hard to learn that in Windows 8 you swipe in from the top or the bottom? An intelligent monkey can learn this. I found it easier to explain to my computer-unfamiliarised parents than the standard right-click-functionality.

The "few pixels for common sense" just look ugly to me if they're stretched on a wide screen. And really, it's not that hard. Somebody tells you once, and you know it. I like to have NOTHING really, NOTHING distracting and or currently useless on my screen under the new Windows 8-design.

It's taste, not common sense. And certainly, a good one minute tutorial would help a lot :)

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