Microsoft Addresses Surface Pro Concerns

They're listening, people. And you're going to like the answers

Microsoft corporate vice president Panos Panay and the Surface team took to Reddit today to address some of the concerns that have cropped up in the wake of the first Surface with Windows 8 Pro reviews. Panay is the person most directly responsible for Surface, so his words—and those of his team—carry a lot of weight.

Battery life

This is arguably the most common concern with Surface Pro, which gets 4.5 to 5.5 hours of battery life, about half that of Surface RT. According to the Surface team, Surface Pro offers “best in its class” battery life that beats the Macbook Air “pound for pound in battery size vs. battery life.”

That sounds a bit disingenuous. I recall a Volkswagen salesperson telling me in the early 1990’s that a VW Fox, a terrible car by any measure, was “as safe as a Volvo, pound for pound.” So it was about half as safe.

“That said we picked a smaller battery to be sure we were able to give you the same performance and to keep it thin,” the discussion continues. “This kept the weight under 2 pounds, and still kept it thin enough to take advantage of our great Windows work for inking and give you a great inking experience (like pressure sensitive inking, ability to do kanji, great sketching). While these tradeoffs are challenges as much as they are opportunities, we think given the performance and experience you will be getting, it is an exciting product.”

Verdict: No useful tips for improving battery life are provided.

Available storage space, especially on the 64 GB version

Tech enthusiasts invented an issue when they claimed that the 64 GB version of the Surface Pro included just 23 GB of free space, while the 128 GB version had just 83 GB. I wrote about the faux outrage in Thinking About a 128 GB iPad … and a 64 GB Surface Pro last week.

“Initial reports regarding available disk space were conservative,” the Surface team wrote. “However, our final production units are coming in with ~6-7GB additional free space.

Of course, much of that “used” space is eaten up by the recovery image. They addressed that issue too.

“There have also been questions about why we included the recovery image by default,” it was noted. “Ideally, you will never need your recovery image. However this is a choice we would prefer the customer to make vs. having the customer need the recovery image not realizing they needed to create one themselves … If you plan to carry more personal items with you locally, our 128GB may be the better option for you.”

Lack of suitable desktop scaling functionality

Reddit claims that “many reviews pointed out” that Surface’s tiny screen is an issue when the resolution is 1080p, especially for people that want to use it with an external monitor. I’m pretty sure my review was the only one that actually discussed this issue, let alone in any depth, but whatever. It was nice to see Panay address this very real issue, vindicate my stance, and explain that a fix is coming(!).

“The Windows team is aggressively working on this feature to fix this for all high resolution Windows devices,” he wrote. “We don’t have a date yet to share, so sorry.”

Panay did, however, share the following workaround (his words/spelling):

1. I personally use 125% scaling.. and like that better for what I use Surface Pro for… see more things on the screen.. and the size of the text suits me just fine.

2. Next I make sure my Second Screen is set to Extended mode.

3. Then I adjust my Office apps using the built in zoom control (lower right of office apps) to set the desired text size. In Windows 8 the Desktop can be thrown on your second monitor and operate all your office apps... nice.

4. For Outlook if I have on my second monitor I switch Outlook into mouse mode.

5. Also in Outlook you can change your Zoom Setting in new message (compose window under zoom).. and it will also persist (which is nice).

6. In IE desktop.. same thing.. the zoom persists on the desktop.. And I use IE 10 desktop in desktop mode.. and the touch version of IE10 on my Surface modern screen.

7. You can also change the width of the cursor under Ease of Access.

8. Also… not a must but, if you use a high resolution external monitor it also help a lot.

Docking solutions and other stuff that might hang off the accessory spine

Addressing another issue I’ve dealt with and have written a lot about, the Surface team said that some form of docking solution is on the way!

“Today you can attach different keyboards and find your style of color and typing, but this is not where it will stop,” Ralf from the Surface team wrote. “If you look at the Surface Pro connector you will notice additional contacts that provide opportunity for more cool things to attach.

Additionally, it was later claimed that the Surface team “extended the design of the accessory spine to include some way to transfer higher current between peripherals and the main battery.” This means that the Surface Pro keyboard connector—which is really called the accessory spine—is more powerful than that of Surface RT and can do more.

And sure enough…

“We haven't announced what [the new connectors on the bottom of the Surface Pro] are for but they aren't an accident! At launch we talked about the ‘accessory spine’ and hinted at future peripherals that can click in and do more. Those connectors look like can carry more current than the pogo pins, don't they?”

Installing other OSes on Surface Pro

I did not address this issue because it’s ludicrous, but Linux enthusiasts are always looking for ways to get their favorite OS where it doesn’t belong. Yes, this is possible with Surface Pro.

“Like other Windows 8 machines, you can access BIOS settings and turn off secure boot, enabling you to load other OSes,” the team says.

Interesting stuff.

Discuss this Article 37

BIGZIPZ
on Feb 6, 2013

Why is it ludicrous to install another OS on a PC?

This is a PC right? You've been saying its a PC and not a tablet.

Trappist
on Feb 6, 2013

Exactly. PC's run real operating systems, so Linux belongs there. Where desktop Linux does not belong is iPad or some such toy. For that kind of use we already have Android Linux.

GoodThings2Life
on Feb 6, 2013

Correction... Linux IS a toy, as-is any flavor of Chrome and Android. That said, it's cool that we can do it if we're so inclined.

ian.berg
on Feb 7, 2013

The ability to run Linux isn't a big deal to most Americans but it allows the Surface Pro to be considered by governments & militaries around the world (China, Russia, US Dept of Defence... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters ).

pthurrott
on Feb 7, 2013

No it doesn't.

The ability to run Linux is not a plus for Surface Pro in any way. Let's stop pretending this matters.

BVombat
on Feb 9, 2013

Absolutely. The device's first priority is to compete in an already saturated market of consumer devices, hopefully improving its chances in the enterprise maret by leveraging existing customer investment in infrastructure and capability.
The ability to run does two things. It allows customers to treat the devices as more flexible investments with a much longer usable life and it demonstrates that Microsoft is not locking its customers into an ecosystem.
While those may not appear to be "good business" they do help take away some of the perceived risk of committing to a device family.
As full disclosure I am a Unix engineer who has used all manner of OEs on his x86 tabs with genuine professional (neither frivolous nor ludicrous) purpose - this notwithstanding, Win 8 Pro is still the best way currently available to exploit their full capabilities and this, along with the flexibility to adapt to respond to my current requirements, means I am more comfortable with the additional cost and that I cannot see myself ever returning to iPad or Android

nlriehl87
on Feb 11, 2013

@pthurrott I am not trying argue with you but I would like to know in detail why you feel that Linux does not have a place on Surface Pro and why you feel it is "ludicrous" to suggest otherwise?

richfrantz
on Feb 6, 2013

You weren't the only one to discuss the display scaling issue, page 2.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/microsoft-surface-with-windows-8-...

pthurrott
on Feb 6, 2013

Who reads through page 2 of an Ars review? :)

Keleko
on Feb 6, 2013

Engadget mentioned the same display issue you did, and they came to the same conclusion that 125% was the best, though unhappy, compromise.

Philotech
on Feb 6, 2013

Ars reviews may be more for the enthusiasts among us, but at least not every description of a new Apple product feature has the pejorative prefix "evolutionary" or "incremental" to it, and not every description of a Microsoft product flaw an apologetic "just like every other PC". Makes the reviews a lot easier to read and a lot more objective.

tbsteph
on Feb 6, 2013

FWIW, my 2012 Air averages between 5 to 5.5 hours of battery life with my normal use (No full movies, etc.). While I would have liked to see the Surface Pro get a bit more life from its battery, 4.5 to 5.5 hours would not be a deal killer for me. Kind of funny, 5 hours of battery life 5 years ago would have been considered outstanding for a laptop type device.

Sen
on Feb 6, 2013

Indeed, it's a bit ridiculous how the mainstream tech press is comparing to machines like the 13 inch Air, without considering that machine is much, much heavier, and has a 40% larger battery than an 11 inch Air. I don't see anyone complaining in the 13 inch MacBook Air review how the Samsung Series 9 15 inch gets much better battery life? (In fact, by a greater magnitude than MBA-13 vs Surface Pro)

Let's face it, 5 hours on an 11 inch Ivy Bridge ultrabook is an excellent return, so why shouldn't it be for a 10.6 inch device which is a lot thinner and lighter than any 11 inch ultrabook, even with the type cover? And those comparing it to iPad - half the battery life, yes, but why do they fail to mention 6-8 times the performance?

All that said, there's no denying that Surface Pro type devices are a year ahead of their time. Slap Haswell and Blue (which hopefully plugs the obvious Windows 8 holes - such as the abovementioned DPI issue), we suddenly have a thinner and lighter device which does a good 8 hours on battery. The future for Surface Pro type devices is bright.

elefunk
on Feb 6, 2013

But is that the 11-inch or the 13-inch?

AnandTech, which rated the Surface Pro between 5 and 6 hours depending on what you're doing with it, rated the 11-inch Macbook Air at around 4 hours for a medium workload.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6063/macbook-air-13inch-mid-2012-review/8

The 13-inch is much better, which makes sense considering that it's also bigger and heavier.

Sen
on Feb 6, 2013

Precisely my point. Surface Pro has better/similar battery life to the 11 inch MacBook Air, which is thicker, heavier, etc - even with the Type cover included. Why is no one calling poor battery life on that?

By this logic, a 13-inch MacBook Air has poor battery life as 15-inch ultrabooks / full sized laptops offer much longer runtimes.

I do think they need a third cover with a hinge though - some people want that familiar laptop capability, and this is a good chance to throw in a battery into the cover as well. I bet it would still be thinner and lighter than MacBook Air and 11 inch ultrabooks. The Thinkpad Helix looks pretty darn amazing for the laptop convertible model, but it makes the Surface Pro look like a right bargain.

Craig
on Feb 6, 2013

Spine addon #1824: A 12 foot charging bar out in the shop floor with surfaces hanging upside down like bats charging overnight.

Waethorn
on Feb 6, 2013

"Like other Windows 8 machines, you can access BIOS settings"

Just FYI: WinRE and the Windows boot options in the OS (Advanced boot options in General section of PC Settings) won't let you go into any kind of UEFI firmware interface on the Surface RT as the option doesn't even show up. Is this true of other Windows RT devices too? I don't have any other one to test.

jimbie882
on Feb 6, 2013

The compromise on the battery life is rather screwy. It sort of suggests maybe Microsoft should develop a real no compromises Surface Pro. For $1099 ($100 more), get longer battery life (8 hours), a 256 GB SSD, and a dock. Call it the road warrior version.

I also wonder why couldn't they install the latest Intel IvyBridge processor that has 7W average power usage.

developer
on Feb 6, 2013

“Like other Windows 8 machines, you can access BIOS settings and turn off secure boot, enabling you to load other OSes,” the team says.

This makes Surface Pro an option for power users, and also I am going to suggest it to non-power users.

Non-power users always let the power users make the software/device decisions, as this is the rational thing to do.

I want the best for people that ask me what to use, and the best for me is flexibility (and not, not being able to change your failed hard disk, as is the case of MacBook Pro, for example).

SvenJ
on Feb 6, 2013

Does anyone actually say "Dock" at any time? Don't see that in any of the quotes, just future peripherals. A dock, in my mind would include some sort of video (DVI, HDMI), network (wired), extra USB,sound, power. Except for the last, that can be done via some reasonably wide data bus, even USB3. The power needs to somewhat seperate. Maybe that is what those copper thingies in the slots in the pictures are for. A dock to set the thing similar to the Samsung Series 7 slate dock, would be great.

user
on Feb 6, 2013

"... looking for ways to get their favorite OS where it doesn’t belong."

There's no such a device - especially if the device is PC like Surface Pro. It's unfortunate that you find it "ludicrous" but I'm happy that the device is not fully locked.

Hardware looks quite nice but have to check more reviews before final decision to buy one.

sgtiger
on Feb 6, 2013

This post regarding the desktop dock and extended displays for two monitors was interesting:

-We don't have a dock in the plans, but there are USB 3.0 HUBS that offer viable solutions.

-Surface Pro supports an Extended Display - 2 Display Desktop, but not more than that.

Personally, the only dock I care about is one with a keyboard attached to it like the Thinkpad Helix.

jpetrides
on Feb 6, 2013

With the accessory spine, they can offer a different keyboard dock that has a battery in it to kick in an extra 2-3 hours. You can buy these for the acer W8 tablets and a couple of android tablets.

This is still a good idea even when the haswell version comes out this spring. If that gets 9 hours, this battery/keyboard could push it past 11 hours.

There are a million uses for this, but what would be nice is if MS could convince other PC makers to standardize on this and open up accessories that use this connector to 3rd parties. We would see all sorts of wacky docking stations from normal hubs to dj equipment. That is a pipe dream, of course, but I've always wanted something like this.

GoodThings2Life
on Feb 6, 2013

So here's what I'm reading in all of this... I will eventually be able to buy a Type Cover Pro that includes additional battery capacity. Sounds good... even if another 2-3 hours. Probably still be lighter than my existing HP Elitebook 2760p.

Also, there's a fix for the DPI issues... it will probably be a half-ass solution, because that's what Microsoft does initially, but we can hope for more.

So regarding the storage space issue... I'm unclear on how to recover the space (consumer perspective)-- is there a utility to do it that they provide? Third party? Or is it just a KB article that says, "do this."

bathswana
on Feb 6, 2013

If that battery in the Type Cover Pro you mention were REPLACEABLE (and made by 3rd parties), your ability to use the Surface Pro would only be limited to the size of your pockets, and your wallet. :)

studio4llc
on Feb 6, 2013

Surface comes with a built-in tool to create a USB recovery drive and then delete the recovery partition.

http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/support/surface-with-windows-rt/f...

Darth Squishy
on Feb 6, 2013

Here are the steps to create the USB recovery drive and delete the partition on RT, though I do not know if the same process is used on Pro:

http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/support/surface-with-windows-rt/f...

GoodThings2Life
on Feb 6, 2013

Another thought... wouldn't it have been nice if Microsoft could have alluded to some of this sooner instead of being hush-hush about it? Knowing things like the accessory spine options in advance just scream preemptive attack on whiny criticisms.

ciscog33k
on Feb 6, 2013

MS is infuriating in this way... What reason is there to keep specific accessories a secret? None. The thing I keep going on about is a keyboard with hinge + battery accessory. I'm thrilled to learn that they do have the ability to deliver power via the accessory spine and I have to assume that if they do a keyboard + battery, it would almost have to have a hinge mechanism.

Anyway, the AMA served its purpose. I'll almost certainly buy the surface pro now. Nice thing is that when v2 comes out with connected standby and better battery life (or lower weigh), you won't have to buy the keyboards again (and i'll almost certainly buy two types of keyboard), plus an extra charger.

JimmyFal
on Feb 6, 2013

It was very much of a downer for me to read about your concerns on the screen. However Neowin's and Verge both remarked that they thought the screen was incredible, and Verge said best he had ever seen.

It's obvious to me that I won't get the real answer on this till I try and decide for myself.

What was really encouraging was that they are seeming to address the 2 issues that I have with Pro. The first is lack of battery life. The second is the ease with which I can dock it and use it as a main computer.

I have done the dance with adjusting screens resolutions and all that bull that does along with it. It seems incomprehensible to me that this would not have been priority one on this release. However Panos did seem to hint very strongly that there could be attachments and fixes for both of these very large issues.

I hope they deliver large on those teases. If they can, I'll buy. Not yet, not until they deliver.

xnederlandx
on Feb 6, 2013

Don't get too excited regarding some kind of desktop dock... It doesn't seem to be in the works.

"We don't have a dock in the plans, but there are USB3.0HUBS that offer viable solutions."
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18063g/i_am_panos_panay_with_the_s...

I think the thing they may be delivering is a keyboard or attachment that adds battery life...

Q: "Does Microsoft have any plans for an external battery or for a thicker keyboard cover that has an extra battery?"
A: "That would require extending the design of the accessory spine to include some way to transfer higher current between the peripheral and the main battery. Which we did..."
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18063g/i_am_panos_panay_with_the_s...

Max
on Feb 6, 2013

I don't see MS really addressing any of the issues here. I also don't think the dearth of free storage on the 64 GB version is an issue invented by enthusiasts (which are coincidentally the people to whom this product appeals to the most). It seems to me that the Surface Pro the way users would like to see (at least half a pound lighter, 10 hours of real world battery life, etc.) is simply not possible yet with existing technology.

I also find the screen settings problem very disconcerting, after all, this was the promise of the Surface Pro: one machine for everything. On the road, it's a tablet or a laptop (depending on what you want to do), and if you connect it to an external screen and a keyboard, it's a full-fledged desktop computer.

dalestrauss
on Feb 6, 2013

“We haven't announced what [the new connectors on the bottom of the Surface Pro] are for but they aren't an accident! At launch we talked about the ‘accessory spine’ and hinted at future peripherals that can click in and do more. Those connectors look like can carry more current than the pogo pins, don't they?”

I'm sorry, but I call BS on these continuing "cutesy" answers by MS. It's just like the twitter culture to hype something by idiotic and evasive responses. Why not just say its a future design development. I am getting too old...

dustmagnet
on Feb 6, 2013

I'm happy that Microsoft is discussing the issues so soon.

I hope this bodes well for future communications from Microsoft. I think if they talked about the problems with Windows 8 this openly, they would placate some of the critics, who felt completely excluded during development.

Maybe "Transparency through opaqueness" will become "transparency through translucency". ;-)

webster
on Feb 7, 2013

I'm baffled by the available disk space issue. I'm running Win8 Pro on an Acer Iconia W500 with a 32gb drive and I have only used about 17GB of disk space (user files are moved to a 32gb SD card) I obviously don't have a recovery partition, but whatever is loaded on the Surface Pro seems about double in size to what I have. Any ideas what's taking up the room? Programs?

developer
on Feb 7, 2013

Can one change the SSD hard disk, with one of his choice, or not?

chud67bj
on Feb 8, 2013

There was an excellent article on ZDnet about the SSD space. The Surface actually has more space available than a Mac Air. That nobody complained about the Air but only complained about it on the Surface. Surprised you did not mention that on Windows Weekly.
http://www.zdnet.com/surface-pro-versus-macbook-air-whos-being-dishonest...

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