In Praise of the Windows Padfone

Please, Microsoft. Let this happen

ASUS just dropped a bomb on the Windows community in the form of its plans to deliver something called the Padfone. There’s just one problem: Under Microsoft’s current rules, this device can’t exist. But the Windows Padfone is a great idea, and it deserves a chance in the market.

ASUS already makes a device called the Padfone, but it’s based on Android. The current version features an Android smart phone with a 4.3-inch screen that docks inside of a laptop case that ASUS calls the Padfone Station.

OK, I know what you’re thinking: This is just a slightly silly take on the hybrid PC, with the tablet replaced by a phone. But here’s where it gets crazy: The Padfone isn’t just a hybrid PC. It’s a three-in-one hybrid PC that can be used as a smart phone, a tablet, or a full-fledged laptop. That’s right: The screen is also detachable from the keyboard base.

OK, so this thing is nuts, and because of its reliance on Android it’s only of marginal usefulness in laptop form. But what if it were based on Windows? Like real Windows?

Good news, maybe: This week, ASUS corporate VP Benson Lin said that his firm was interested in making a Windows 8 version of the Padfone. According to the Wall Street Journal, he said:

“With our Padfone concept, the phone plus tablet, I think it makes sense for Windows 8. There is no target timeline … but we are interested in making Windows phones.”

Now, many have construed this statement to mean that ASUS is getting into the Windows Phone handset market. But I don’t think this can happen with Windows Phone, since Microsoft will never allow this B-team platform to edge in true Windows territory. But it’s also fair to note that Windows 8, today, doesn’t support phone calling or small, ~5-inch screens. So this ASUS device is a theory at best. In fact, I think the Lin quote was designed specifically to spur Microsoft to action.

But there’s only one way this thing gets made. And that’s with Windows 8, not Windows Phone.

And this is a good thing. Adding support for smaller screen sizes is a checkbox item on a spec sheet, and adding phone calling to Windows is as simple as porting Windows Phone’s Phone app over to Windows 8. And the notion of one device that can do it all—phone, tablet, laptop—suddenly makes a ton of sense.

Make it so, Microsoft. Please.

Discuss this Article 27

markuslaff
on Jan 18, 2013

My rational brain is telling me that the Padfone is ridiculous, who would want it, and why should MS build it... but that's the wrong way to think about it. If Microsoft is a platform builder, they need to be flexible enough so their partners can build crazy devices that help them differentiate.

I'm still not convinced I would need or want this... but the flexibility Android gives Asus means they will put more innovation towards Android in the future. If MS wants to have their partners be innovative they need to give them something to innovate with. It's up to Asus to build something that succeeds or fails.

Omega Ra
on Jan 18, 2013

I agree, this would be an amazing thing to have. I really hope Microsoft makes a way to make this happen :)

dhallman
on Jan 18, 2013

This is the dream -- + a PC dock for 'full sized' work in the office or at home. Let it happen MS. And give us a Suface, Samsung, HP and Lenovo version to keep everyone on their toes.

Sosipater
on Jan 18, 2013

If they released this I would buy it. This would be amazing.

user
on Jan 18, 2013

These are nice ideas indeed. This is quite similar to what for example what Canonical has demoed. Canonical has two types of phones; one that is an Android phone which turns to a normal Ubuntu desktop when it is attached to screen/computer and another phone that is Ubuntu Phone and turns to Ubuntu desktop.
Of course he phone is functional in the desktop mode as well.

Stefan
on Jan 18, 2013

I would buy this in a heartbeat

peacock93
on Jan 18, 2013

I agree! I would buy this in a second!

saqrkh
on Jan 18, 2013

I think the future of Windows might end up being 'Windows everywhere, anywhere.' In other words, the same OS across different form-factors (mobile, tablet, computer).

It wouldn't be a bad idea, so long as it is executed properly whereby Microsoft delivers each experience to the end-user in the best possible way. The Ubuntu method looks good.

Microsoft could merge the Windows and Windows Phone teams together, making the latter an indispensible wing of the former through this direction.

abw1987
on Jan 18, 2013

This would be a dream come true. All I've ever wanted is full Windows on a phone. Ever since the OQO, I've thought it must be remotely possible.

roncerr
on Jan 20, 2013

I've been using OQOs since 2007. Currently, I'm testing out Windows 8 in my shirt pocket. The screen resolution thing seems to be designed to force users to buy 4 things: phone, tablet, PC, and Cloud Services to sync them. The only thing that makes "one device to do it all" unlikely to happen is desire of Microsoft and other PC makers to sell as much stuff as possible. The OQO proved it was possible over 5 years ago, even includes 3 integrated radios (BT, Wi-Fi, Cell Modem).

zicoz
on Jan 18, 2013

The best solution for this would be if they created a 6-7" tablet that could be put inside a 10" tablet where the 10" one is nothing but a screen+extra battery. Imagine having an Ipad Mini and Ipad in one.

brians (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2013

"because of its reliance on Android it’s only of marginal usefulness in laptop form"

Why do you say this, I use Android all of the time via keyboard and mouse on an Android stick PC. Have you actually tried this? Grab your Nexus 7, and plug in a USB or Bluetooth keyboard and mouse (I use Logitech's USB wireless keyboard/trackpad). You'll find it works very well. Give QuickOffice HD a try while you're at it.

I suspect things will get even better in May, with lots of non-tablet/phone Android news at Google I/O.

yipcanjo
on Jan 18, 2013

This only exists/works in a world where the "Pad" and the "Phone" are always the same device, same dimensions, same connector, and so on. If you change your phone, well...you're kinda outta luck *OR* you have to connect your phone with an alternate, not-as-cool method.

Sadly, this really works in an Apple world where the iPhone, iPad, and "dock" are using consistent dimensions and devices. In the Windows world.....not so much.

Trappist
on Jan 18, 2013

"...and adding phone calling to Windows is as simple as porting Windows Phone’s Phone app over to Windows 8."

Would that not effectively force MSF to pay GSM, EDGE, GPRS, WCDMA, LTE, and some other patent fees to Ericsson and Nokia for every Windows license sold henceforth? Calling the cellural way is not free, as Apple, for instance, learnt to their great surprise.

Mark from CO
on Jan 18, 2013

Microsoft will see the utility in this... and in three years have a sort-of ready response.......

GoodThings2Life
on Jan 18, 2013

Well, hold on there... why can't this exist? Microsoft now supports the 1280x768 resolution (Nokia Lumia 920), and nothing really dictates how big/small a WP8 screen has to be. Suppose it runs Windows Phone 8...

Heck, it could just work. Or they could go Windows RT and WP8 on the separate devices and just develop SkyDrive components to sync them up.

bathswana
on Jan 18, 2013

A.) Asus V.P. likely knows Microsoft's road map for Windows.

B.) Intel Atom low power chips, low heat, and cheap memory make Windows 8 in a cell phone form factor a reality today.

C.) Full version of Windows X running on cell phone, tablet, laptop, Xbox, desktop, and server makes life a lot easier for Microsoft, and most importantly, for software developers.

Waethorn
on Jan 18, 2013

Why sure! And why don't they just back to making the Courier while they're at it?

*shaking head*

timiteh
on Jan 19, 2013

Why prevent Asus to build a phablet with both WP8 and Windows RT built in ?
In phone mode the device will use WP8 and in tablet/laptop mode it will use Windows RT.
Ideally such a device should have both WP8 and Windows 8 but i doubt that Microsoft will release WP for x86.
Such a lack of confidence in Intel by Microsoft is disturbing.
Anyway, such device with the right docks will be the future of P.C. However nothing prevent the rise of the C.C/F.C (Collective computer/Familly computer), a much cheaper evolution of the PixelSense device. It is unfortunate that Microsoft is unable to leverage its experience in the field to be a true precursor. I suppose that Microsoft is too focused on making the Xbox The home computer to consider a reasonnably priced PixelSense a valid candidate too. Fortunately Lenovo and Asus are not that short sighted.

allanwith
on Jan 19, 2013

I like the idea and agree that it should be made, if not for anything other than adding more choice and diversity to the ecosystem and for pressing on towards solving the challenge that we all face: different situations demand different form factors.

There is the question of what OS to run, but for the short term theycould attempt to go with a solution where as a Phone it would run WP and as a tablet/laptop it could run full Windows RT - sharing a ARM processor. Windows RT could be installed on an ssd in the tablet to save space on the phone. There are issues with this as well, other than having to pay a license for both, such as how do you multiboot a phone when MS probably won't let you out of the gate - and are the same ARM processors even supported by both WP and RT? They could have a separate processor in the tablet, even an x86 to enable full Windows but then that would defeat the purpose of docking it in the first place.

For me personally I am not convinced this is what I would want. There is an advantage to have both a tablet and a phone be able to do computing on their own, you can multitask between them and have them do different stuff, you know such as phone calls on one and web browsing on the other. With this I'd have to use a Bluetooth headset whenever my phone was docked, and I could be watching a movie on the tablet while looking something up or texting on the phone. Or having two separate person use them (kid on tablet, dad on phone or vice versa).

And if tablets could be made cheap enough then the whole raison d'etre for this thing (saving money for extra CPU + RAM) would vanish as far as I can see.

With bendable screens and batteries coming some time in the distant future I think those would allow for a more viable solution. A foldable device (go Courier!) would be incredible. Add 802.11d (6 gigabit speed) for wirelessly docking with a large screen or projector and a keyboard, and add wireless charging and you've got me ;). A unified Windows OS story (meaning no more WP, sorry) - as Paul has been sort of talking up lately - would obviously be a necessity as well.

Now go make it... shouldn't be so hard, right? Please?

Xavid
on Jan 19, 2013

LOVE IT. I would pre-order one today if it existed.

henador
on Jan 19, 2013

It's not surprising that a hardware company came up with a hardware solution to the screen size and data portability problem. What you want to be able to do is to "throw" your task at hand (e.g. reading email, messages, writing a doc, etc) seamlessly from one device to another. To throw the task from one device to another requires automatically storing the data on a server/cloud and then logging into the other device. After you login on the other device, your app and data automatically appear where you left off (to a reasonable degree). You don't need to actually mate the hardware together.

If you want to stick with having local data and apps, the best thing to do would be to split up the hardware into a computation module (CPU and storage hardware) that docks with various UI modules (screen/keyboard/mouse+power hardware combinations). The computation node would be very small, say the size of a Zippo lighter. At some point in the future when reliable high speed local data xfer is available, you wouldn't need to even dock the computation module -- leave it in your pocket and just hold the screen in your hand or use the keyboard/screen on your lap/desk.

Paul M. Parks
on Jan 19, 2013

If I knew this were coming out I'd freeze myself like Cartman so I could wake up after it had arrived.

JaredTheGeek
on Jan 19, 2013

This is where Rt would be useful.

Boots
on Jan 20, 2013

I don't get it. Does the laptop still work if you take the phone out? How is this better than a separate laptop and phone? What do you do if you want to use them separately? What happens if you loose the phone? I don't see any benefit with this at all.

onedrummer2401
on Jan 20, 2013

Ugh! Why does everyone keep using the original Padfone picture instead of the updated, much nicer Padfone 2?! THAT'S the form factor they'll use if they make one, not the first version! Guh.

sean_hando
on Jan 22, 2013

My prediction for Windows 9 is that there will no longer be any distinct Windows Phone OS and Windows RT OS. I believe that (hope actually) MS will release an OS that rules them all, at least for ARM hardware. There will be one common API that will allow developers to create a single app to run on Phone devices as well as ARM Tablet/Laptop/Desktop computers. There is already UI precedence for this with the ability to define layouts for Win8/RT apps in Full Screen Landscape, Full Screen Portrait, Filled, Snapped. Why not include the ability to create layouts for Phone devices that are in Full Screen Landscape & Portrait as well? The resolution of phones already matches those of tablets, it's just a matter of the software scaling UI elements to make them usable on smaller devices. It's possible that MS has already planned this evolutionary step for their next version of Windows with their insistance of using Win8/RT for tablets and not the Windows Phone OS as the likes of Mary Jo Foley had requested (this, of course, is total speculation on my part).

If MS were to go this route for Windows 9 then a Padfone device it TOTALLY possible because it can seamlessly transition from a Phone device to a Tablet/Laptop/Desktop without any loss in functionality, and it can do it with a full workstation OS instead of half-assed one like Motorola tried to do with it's Atrix phone and Android.

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