Review: Samsung ATIV Smart PC

The Atom “Clover Trail” chipset has won me over, but is the ATIV is a low-end PC or a high-end PC companion?

I admit to initially being a bit ambivalent about the Samsung ATIV Smart PC, as I was more concerned about its Atom “Clover Trail” internals than about the device itself. But after using it for the past week, I’ve come to understand two things. One, Clover Trail makes ARM irrelevant for Windows. And two, the ATIV is a pretty sweet Windows device.

But it’s also a sweet Windows device with ARM-like limitations. Like ARM, Clover Trail is a 32-bit platform, and devices based on this platform—including the ATIV—ship with just 2 GB of non-expandable RAM. And like other Clover Trail-based systems, the ATIV comes with a relatively tiny amount of onboard storage (64 GB) and only a single USB 2.0 port: Clover Trail—again, like ARM—doesn’t support USB 3.0.

Now, where some see limitations, others see simplicity, and an argument could be made that the ATIV’s lack of, well, stuff makes it more desirable, not less. After all, this machine gets a magical 9+ hours of real world battery life, and it does so while running perfectly cool to the touch: It never, ever heats up, and no fan mars the experience. It’s completely silent.

(Be sure to check out Samsung ATIV Smart PC: First Impressions and Photos.)

So the question remains. Having eliminated ARM, and thus any Windows RT-based device, from the running, is the ATIV Smart PC a low-end PC, one that you might even use as a replacement for some current portable PC? Or is it simply a PC companion, something akin to an iPad, Android tablet, or Surface with Windows RT, a machine that’s mostly for media consumption but occasionally for work?

I have the answer. But you’re not going to like it.

It depends.

If you’re like me, someone who needs a real computer with the ability to run multiple Office applications, web browsers with dozens of open tabs, Photoshop, Visual Studio, and to do all that at the same time, no, the ATIV is not a PC replacement, nor is any other Clover Trail-based device. Instead, you’d use this a secondary, companion device. It’s not that the Atom/Clover Trail processor isn’t powerful enough, it’s that the rest of the system—the RAM, especially, but also the storage and system expandability—falls short.

If, however, you’re a more average consumer, someone who only runs a few apps at a time and perhaps just needs web browsing, email, and Facebook, well heck. The ATIV is a more than adequate alternative to an iPad or Surface, and one that is compatible with the applications you own, know and use. Unlike ARM. It could be, in effect, a real PC within the context of how you use a PC today.

Consider how different this device is from the Lenovo IdeaPad YOGA I just reviewed. In my opinion, the YOGA is an Ultrabook first and a device second because the machine’s secondary, tablet-like forms are not as elegant as using a real tablet. By comparison, the ATIV is a tablet first and, via an optional keyboard dock (or, less elegantly, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and some form of stand) a laptop-like contraption. Where the YOGA is portable computer first—a PC—the ATIV is a tablet first—a device. So one’s a PC and one’s a device, but in keeping with this new generation of Windows 8 hardware, each can transform into the other to some degree. But each is more comfortable, I think, in its primary role.

Whatever your needs, if a device that is tablet first and PC second is what you’re looking for, the discussion changes to ATIV Smart PC specifics. And in my testing of this device over the past week suggests that, weird platform limitations aside, this is a pretty nifty machine.

Some will dock Samsung for using plastics in the ATIV casing, but as a long time user of Samsung phones, I’m used to the material and I don’t personally associate it with cheap. Regardless of your feeling about plastic, however, one thing is indisputable: This is a very light device, weighing in at 1.7 pounds. Yes, 1.7. Now, granted, the keyboard dock would up the weight, but if you’re going commando-style, that’s a small price to pay for a device with a huge 11.6-inch widescreen display. Did I mention the 9+ hours of battery life?

On the minus side, Samsung has a weird infatuation with port covers that I don’t agree with. The USB, HDMI, and SD slots are each covered with a silly, hard-to-pull-off cover, as is the SIM slot if you get a model with cellular broadband. It’s just … awful.

I mentioned some of the specs already, but let’s spell them out a bit better to get a more complete picture. That Clover Trail processor is technically a 1.8 GHz Intel Atom processor Z2760, a dual core System on a Chip (SoC) design with integrated graphics that makes the thin, light, and fanless ATIV possible. If you’ve been following along as PCs got faster and more powerful on a fairly linear curve for the past years, well, this Atom is on a different trajectory. It’s a 32-bit design, not 64-bit, meaning it can address up to 4 GB of RAM only, and Windows itself can only address ~3 GB of that. So it’s aimed at small, highly portable devices, not gaming rigs.

But the ATIV, like all other current Clover Trail devices, comes with just 2 GB of RAM, and its shared with the graphics. The memory is not expandable, and even given the limitations of 32-bit Windows versions, I would have appreciated 3 or 4 GB of RAM instead. In fact, it’s hard to calculate what a difference that would have made for me. (I’m curious if more RAM would have impacted battery life, however.) But this speaks to the machine’s device aspirations.

64 GB of storage I can live with. Like many, I made what was originally a difficult transition from the 500 GB hard drives of a few years ago to the much smaller storage allotments of SSDs (or, in this case, eMMC solid state storage). Do more with less.

The screen is brilliant. At 11.6-inches, it runs at a fairly pedestrian 1366 x 768, but don’t be put off by this: This is a great resolution for this screen size and is what I consider to be Windows 8’s “native” resolution, meaning that it is ideal for Metro-style apps.

That said, one of the problems with the ATIV is that it’s almost too big as a tablet. It’s much wider than a Surface, iPad or Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and while I have little issue carrying it around given the light weight, even I—with big hands—have a bit of trouble playing touch-based games on the expansive screen. Be sure to test one in-store before buying.

Beyond this, you get Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n) and Bluetooth, and you can add Ethernet through a USB dongle, which kills the one available USB port. Two USB ports would be better, and a dock would be even better still. Aside from that single USB 2.0 port, there are also micro-HDMI, headphone, microphone, and microSD ports. There are stereo speakers on the front of the device, next to the screen, which sounds pretty darn good.

Oh, there’s a stylus too. This is a big deal for some people, I know, but the awful version Samsung bundles with the device—it tucks neatly into one corner of the machine when you’re not using it, which will be all the time—is hardly worth discussing. It’s small, hard to use, and seems to lag behind what you’re actually writing. I found it frustrating.

Performance in day to day tasks is stellar, assuming you’re treating it reasonably and not trying to play Black Ops 2. (Which is undoubtable impossible.) The Windows 8 UI is literally fast and fluid, and the device overall performs much better than the ARM-based Surface with Windows RT.

I didn’t get this device with a keyboard dock, which is a $100 option. I’ve heard that it’s not great, and that the lack of a second dock-based battery lessens its value, but if I could do this over again, I’d get one. At the very least, it would protect the screen in transit, and a keyboard of any kind, even a middling one, would be good for those situations where you just need to type. My current solution—a generic tablet stand, a keyboard, and a mouse, is non-optimal.

The other issue I feel compelled to mention is the price. While the ATIV Smart PC is not unique in this regard—all first-gen Clover Trail and ARM devices are way too expensive in my opinion--$650 to $750 is a lot of money to spend on what is essentially a low-end PC (or an iPad-like device). It’s pretty clear to me that Intel and its PC maker partners are very much interested in moving away from the low-price model established by the netbook, but these devices aren’t 20 percent more than netbooks, they’re almost twice as expensive. It’s a lot of money, especially when a higher resolution and perfectly good iPad starts at just $500.

Still, for those who wish to stick with the Windows ecosystem and yet are looking for something highly mobile and touch-based, the Samsung ATIV Smart PC is a great choice, and its Clover Trail-based innards, even given the limitations, are superior to ARM with Windows RT across the board. The first generation of anything is tough, of course, but the ATIV and Clover Trail have really won me over. Recommended, assuming the low system resources and price don’t scare you away.

Discuss this Article 59

rhermsen
on Nov 22, 2012

Paul, How would you recon this device in combination with a VDI desktop that contains all our LOB applications and a 24" screen? We are looking to give all our employee's one of these or the HP Envy X2. Access the VDI or Remote Apps environment for LOB and a tablet when you want. Would love to hear your opinion on this

pthurrott
on Nov 22, 2012

That should work fine, certainly as well or probably better than it would with Surface. Haven't tested the Envy x2, but know that's one of the tablets everyone is looking forward to.

jeffkibuule
on Nov 22, 2012

The HP Envy x2 costs $100 more at $849, but seems to be significantly better built with a far superior design and better attention to deal. Plus, the dock has a batter, and none of the silly port covers Paul was complaining about. And an all aluminum construction too.

If you're worried about the longevity of the devices you give to employees, I think the Envy x2 would be a better purchase. $100 more for less support costs sounds like a reasonable tradeoff.

Waethorn
on Nov 23, 2012

Don't buy consumer-class stuff for your workforce or else you'll be sorry. Check out the ThinkPad Tablet 2 instead.

pthurrott
on Nov 23, 2012

I am very interested in the TP Tablet 2. I hope to review that as well.

Waethorn
on Nov 23, 2012

You'll find it too small, Mr. Hulk hands.

jamesreinhardt
on Nov 24, 2012

This is the one that I'm looking forward to checking out. I spoke with Lenovo last week and they are "hoping for a Dec 15th release".
The size of the Lenovo, and their track record gets my hopes up that this will be the tablet that will soon be in my hands.

While I love android, the ability to run some of the VPN clients and full version of Outlook have me VERY excited for this crop of non-RT tablets.

UB400
on Nov 22, 2012

Thanks for the review Paul, much appreciated. A question on the pen, from other reviews I found, the opinion was that Note taking with the S-Pen app was not good at all, but worked well with OneNote, did you try OneNote?
Also what's the performance like with Word, Excel and Outlook, would this fit the bill as an MS-Office capable computer?

pthurrott
on Nov 22, 2012

Office 2013 works just fine. The pen lagged in Outlook as well.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

I tried this ATIV 500t yesterday, brand new from the local MS store, and its stylus does NOT lag at all in One Note 2010.

Paul is either lying, or had some issues with hardware or software, or did not install latest system updates, or maybe he purchased it not from MS store hence loaded with crapware which could slow the stylus down somehow.

Anyhoo guys I really suggest you to take Paul's words with a large grain of salt.

My other impressions: Office 2010 flies like a rocket, Word 2010 and Excel 2010 start up in less than a second, Excel spreadsheet scrolling with fingers is butter smooth, and HDMI out works 100% when connected to external monitor, we used 50" 1080p TV yesterday and it looks uber cool. The guy who bought it is very satisfied, and I'm too since I was the one who suggested this tablet to him.

pthurrott
on Nov 25, 2012

Feel free to disagree. Do not accuse me of lying.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

OK sorry Paul, I admit that I was wrong. I noticed that you got it not from the MS store so this should explain your troubles, I guess.

elefunk
on Nov 22, 2012

One idea I actually like about Windows RT is actually the limitations - no bloatware, no rogue processes sucking up CPU cycles, nothing ruining battery life, etc. With the potential for those all to be there on any Clover Trail device, couldn't that have longer-term implications on battery life? Specifically for Connected Standby, where something could be preventing the device from reaching the lowest-power state? I'd hate to have to resort to traditional sleep instead of Connected Standby where it can still get email, notifications, etc.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

Buy your hardware from the MS store, either brick'n'mortar or online, and you won't see any bloatware and rogue processes.

starkenator
on Nov 22, 2012

Thanks for the review Paul. How is the performance in games? Better/worse than Surface?

pthurrott
on Nov 23, 2012

Better overall. I only briefly touched on that here:
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-architecture-wars-part-1-clo...

euskalzabe
on Nov 22, 2012

I really wanted to buy one of these gen1 devices and I ended up refraining from it. I'll wait to next year: I need the device to be 1080p at a minimum (c'mon, it's 2012, not 2002) and I want to see how Tegra4 stacks up against other offers. Intel's Haswell is also an architecture to keep an eye on... We'll see, it'll either be a gen2 Surface or a Zenbook Touch...

AlcorZA
on Nov 22, 2012

I think the Clover Trail CPU in there is a much newer generation architecture to what the ARM Tegra 3 is for example in the Surface RT. That said, I imagine eventually Intel will add x86-64 capability to the "Atom" brand.

We know it's coming for ARM - the question is, how will that go? ARM have plenty of experience in the low-power stakes which Intel seem to have only just managed to catch up to.

Either way, I still concede that no matter which way you slice it, the x86 ecosystem will most likely win-out for Windows simply because of the overwhelmingly huge x86 application base available. And, Intel with it's virtually limitless resources and in-house manufacturing capabilities will most likely pass ARM in the low-power department within a generation or two.

Will be an interesting battle on the hardware front. I'm surprised Intel didn't include USB 3 in there.

Rallicat
on Nov 22, 2012

Still can't see how ARM can be eliminated without addressing the fact that with ARM, you /can't/ install software that might compromise the experience of a 'pure tablet' device.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

Android or jailbroken iOS on any ARM CPU allows you to install any sort of junkware/malware if you want to, so you are able to compromise your tablet experience even worse than on any Windows PC. Stop being so naive :)

pr3sidentspence
on Nov 22, 2012

Thanks Paul, I decided to get one of these. I bought the Canadian version, which I'm returning, and have ordered the US version instead.

Heads up to Canadians, even though Samsung Canada advertised the Canadian version with the dock and the pen. They are not selling the dock in Canada, and the Canadian model does not come with the pen and (more importantly) the digitizer in the screen for it.

I hope the pen improves from Paul's experience with a driver update. I really hoped to get back to doing artwork using a true pen. I've got the Pogo Connect for my iPad, but it's not as good as the old days of my TabletPC.

NCarslon
on Nov 22, 2012

Any chance you'll be getting your hands on the ATIV Pro?

pthurrott
on Nov 23, 2012

I don't believe so, sorry.

zombiebacchus
on Nov 22, 2012

Nice review. Thanks for this. Wish they made this a bit smaller. The Surface is about as big as a tablet I would ever want.

I feel that the price is what kills the Surface and these clover trail tablets. A base Surface should have been 399 and the clover trails 499. When I show people my Surface they love it but in the end they always ask why should they buy a Surface when they can get an iPad for the same price.

philemon_loy
on Nov 23, 2012

Microsoft Office?

JimmyFal
on Nov 23, 2012

Usb port? Multiple user accounts? Better multitasking? Flash? File system? Expandable storage? Great keyboard option? Video out port? Kickstand? I know, I know, no Instagram. Now that's a deal breaker. :)

dhallman
on Nov 22, 2012

Great review. I picked one of these up at the new MS store in Toronto Monday (missed a visit by Mr. Balmer by 15 mins!). My plan was to replace my wife's Vaio and ipad. I added a 32g SD to hold music etc. So far this is working. She likes the dock keyboard better than the vaio keyboard (I did not expect that, she is a proficient typist) and Win 8 beats IOS hands down on a tablet. Even for a long time iphone/ipad user. The dock seems to drain the battery twice as fast for some reason? So we plug in/charge in the office and go wireless/dock free at home. After the first work week this seems to replace both devices with no looking back.

philemon_loy
on Nov 22, 2012

Nice review, and I agree with all your points.

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on a Surface (well, living in a "third class" country, that involves getting a friend in the "first class" country to help, etc.) when I noticed the ATIV Smart PC offered in local shops. After some scrutiny of the specs and hands on, I purchased it. Now, after nearly 3 weeks (including several days on a trip) using the device, reading Surface reviews, I came to the conclusion that it was the right choice given my usage pattern.

In short, it makes for a plausible laptop replacement IF what you have been previously using the laptop for is mostly internet browsing, minor email, viewing and making minor edits to Word, Excel or Powerpoint documents, displaying Powerpoint slideshows, viewing and making minor annotations to A4/letter sized pdf documents, watching videos, and the like, rather than, say, typing a full Word document or Photoediting. (That's me--since even with my i7 Sony Vaio, I would still prefer to use my desktop PC to do anything more compute intensive.)

It's not ideal for any sort of prolonged or intricate editing/typing without the physical keyboard. But it is much superior to a laptop for reading a full A4/letter sized page of text (in portrait). In addition, being able to use dropbox, skydrive, etc., the way they work on the desktop is a huge plus (i.e., automatic syncing). The battery life is phenomenal--easily 9+ hours of continuous usage.

I'm not sure why but the thing feels subjectively lighter than the ipad (first gen). Maybe the fact that it is made of plastic has something to do with it, I don't know.

Some limitations:

The App store is still sparse. Some fairly obvious things are still missing, for instance, system monitoring apps that are able to display live tiles--I'm surprised there isn't one that displays battery information on a live tile. (And what's with Windows 8 not displaying "battery time remaining"?) Maybe it is just because I'm in a "third class" market? On the flip side, older apps that run on the desktop work just fine, so that's a consolation. Some examples: Batterystat, VLC.

It's not a true mobility device--too big for that. (But then, I found the ipad too big for that too. Still prefer my Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 for the commute--I can comfortably hold it in one hand, standing, in the train for extended durations.) Rather, it is more in the even-more-portable-than-ultra-portable class.

The (wacom?) digitizers is, as Paul pointed out, dodgy. Often times, it will simply refuse to work and I need a restart to fix that.

Talking about restarts--the thing boots and restarts very fast (I love it!). Which is a very good thing both in itself, and because I do find myself having to do it now and then. The somewhat unfinished nature of Windows 8 shows.

The thing came with a 64GB SSD but OS and restore partition take up quite a bit of space. With Office 2013 Preview, a bunch of smaller apps, and a 5GB dropbox folder, I have about 20GB left. Putting in a large MicroSD helps some, but not completely. (I placed filehistory and my skydrive directory on it.)

I'm not convinced that the main bottleneck is RAM--don't think I've ever maxed that out (since obviously, you don't really want to run photoshop on this thing anyway). Nor have I noticed the CPU maxed out all that often. But when the SSD reaches close to 100% in read/write usage, it's not wise to attempt to multitask, even when there is ostensibly spare CPU or RAM capacity left.

Odds and ends:

The thing came with a bunch of crapware. But it's a small thing to uninstall the whole lot. Metro Chrome is somewhat faster but less smooth, and slightly more buggy than Metro IE. But I can live with it. The stock Mail client is usable, but feature deficient. Love Decor8 from Stardock for customizing the startscreen.

Sorry for the long comment.

esirvys
on Nov 22, 2012

How much Samsung related crapware is included on the device ?

pthurrott
on Nov 23, 2012

I should have addressed that, sorry. I tend to move by that stuff as quickly as possible and spend much of my early time with any new device getting rid of that or, in extreme cases, just reinstalling Windows from scratch. As a Windows user, I too suffer through--"live with"--this crap.

It comes with a bunch of Samsung-branded and third party Metro apps: S Note, S Player, Samsung QR Code, Samsung Accessories (which is *terrible*, just a store front-end for Samsung's Android tablets, if you can believe that), S Gallery, plus Norton Security, Evernote, Kindle, StumbleUpon, Skype, Photo Editor, and ME Dictionary, among others. Netflix and (desktop) Plants v. Zombies are in there too. In short, a bunch of stuff, mostly crap, a few useful. Fortunately, you can of course kill all of it.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

So, Paul indeed bought this ATIV not in MS store. This explains a lot. Guys, please buy this tablet only in the MS store, online MS store works great for those who live far from the brick'n'mortar one. I noticed that the one purchased in MS store has stylus that does NOT lag at all in One Note. If you buy it NOT from MS store - then deal with all the problems brought on you by the crapware, like the slow stylus Paul complained about. Just remember - this is YOUR problem, not Microsoft's or Samsung's. They have provided you with a choice to buy it crapware-free, and it's YOU who failed it.

garymoncrieff
on Nov 23, 2012

This was always my fear with these devices, and until big heavy desktop apps are ported to winRT things will remain the same.

Bu heck I have even seen the metro apps like MetroTwit use over 200mb of ram which given the constraints of these devices will need to be addressed.

Would seem like the entire industry hasn't learned from netbooks. Microsoft have done a good job of reducing Windows memory footprint but developers haven't followed along.

At the end of the day is all these devices are just a new form of netbook with touch and will experience the same problem as before.

Metro apps work great with touch, and so does Office 2013 to a degree but most other applications are a pain to use on the desktop with touch.

alexandreisola
on Nov 23, 2012

I have exactly this model. I have aprecciated your review. Despite some things as usb 3, or one more usb port are things more than wanted, this Tablet has been a great Experience for me. I am extremelly satistied. The battery is wonderfull, does not heat... never... ever... the sound and the screen are fantastic. Really...the only accessory I think they did not think was a cover or a case. With it, it would be perfect. I do not have any doubt that it is much better than a Surface with RT. When we have Surface pro... well, perhaps... perhaps I will think about replace this. I never ever was so happy with a Windows PC as this Ativ PC. Thanks

RobHalligan
on Nov 23, 2012

In previous versions of Windows there was an option to use part of the memory of an SD card kind of like RAM. I don't remember if that was SuperFetch or some other program. And I don’t know if it’s in W8. I plan to explore that if I get the HP Envy X2 (when it comes out). That model has an SD in the tablet and one in the base. Using that feature may boost performance a bit.

epobirs
on Nov 25, 2012

The feature you're thinking of is ReadyBoost, which relies on SuperFetch to work. It's a form of pre-caching for frequently launched files. It's value on Vista systems when it was introduced never seemed to materialize. You had to have a desperately RAM deficient machine to benefit. This usually meant XP systems with 1 GB or less that received a Vista install.

If you had at least 2 GB on Vista there was scarcely any benefit from ReadyBoost. As Windows 8 is a fair bit more efficient in memory usage it isn't likely to benefit either.

What is really called for is a higher model from Samsung for those willing to pay. An additional 1.5 GB of RAM (the most that will be fully utilized on a 32-bit Win8 machine) would make a huge difference at a minor hit on battery life. The bigger effect on battery life would really come from the CPU running harder as the increased RAM makes multi-tasking more usable.

Cthugha
on Nov 23, 2012

Any idea on how it compares to the ASUS VivoTab?

The VivoTab looks much better on paper (slimmer, lighter, less plastic, better screen, more speakers, etc). I played with the simpler VivoTab RT last weekend and it looked really nice!

RobHalligan
on Nov 23, 2012

Looks Similar. Here's a comparison: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/2/3287240/windows-tablets-ultimate-spec-c... How do you search for the Vivo Tab when the RT version's hits make it hard to filter?

RobHalligan
on Nov 24, 2012

Answering my own Q: Search for "ASUS VivoTab TF810C" to distinguish from RT.

titian40
on Nov 23, 2012

Any evidence using the S-ATIV as an Xbox SmartGlass screen / Play To device? This is one Windows 8 use case that I have been playing with on an old HP touchsmart. A touch screen without a raised bevel would be a huge improvement. Ahhh we all have different hurdles. Thanks for the write up.

icwhatudidthere
on Nov 23, 2012

I've been back and forth on this machine so far. Pen usage really lagged in my demos and while I'm used to the plastic of my Galaxy S3, the same plastic on a much larger surface just made it feel less solid. Felt some definite flex in the pastic just from holding it.

Also a higher res screen would've been nice for tablet mode usage. I don't think Samsung's done enough to tempt me from waiting for the Surface Pro.

sonisoe
on Nov 23, 2012

Yup i kinda agree with the article thats why am having second thoughts on buying one... the device seems a bit too big for a tablet, bit pricey despite win8 can run full pc apps.... but along with acer w510, we're short of options for win8 tablets with a simcard slot...maybe acer is better option with smaller 10inch and definitely cheaper....

Doughboy
on Nov 23, 2012

Canadian version I thought has usb3. I am sure I checked in device manager in store and it said usb3. Although some guy on youtube says it doesn't. Ill go check again.

majortom1981
on Nov 24, 2012

Do you think the pro version of this exact pc would be better? IT makes the screen 1920 x 1080p 4 gigs ram, and a core i5?

Would the increased specs make the spen work better? I have the galaxy note 10.1 and have had to problems with the digitizer not working.

RobHalligan
on Nov 24, 2012

I held an ATIV 700 Pro at an MS Store. It was heavier and it won't get the battery life...

mmaestro
on Nov 24, 2012

Paul, how does the device perform as it starts getting bogged down in memory? I'm looking at one of these (or more likely a Thinkpad Tablet 2) for my wife so she can use it in court and access an Access database in tablet mode, but I'm a bit concerned that it'll max out the memory too quickly and become unusable. Part of the appeal for her was the pen, too, so I'm concerned the lag is due to lack of processing power. I'll cross my fingers that it's just bad drivers, but.. it sounds good but not perfect. Another GB of memory would be hugely beneficial, but I'm starting to wonder if we're just going to find ourselves waiting for Surface Pro.

YCSMD
on Nov 24, 2012

Hey Paul, Have you noticed any freezing on yours
Ours from the MSFT Store has frozen four times since yesterday
Updated Win 8 & Drivers. It requires holding down the power button until reset.

pr3sidentspence
on Nov 26, 2012

I am finding I have to do this occasionally. Which is a lot more than the almost never I have had on the three other Win8 PCs I've used.

I also find that I have to reboot a lot to get things to work again. Wifi, audio, etc.

YCSMD
on Nov 27, 2012

I completely reset it using built in Windows 8 function and still got one. Its not like they are frequent, but 5 in two days is too many. Wondering if its something that they all do and it will get sorted or if we should return/exchange...

dalestrauss
on Nov 24, 2012

I realize there are architecture problems with 32bit Atom, but why not include 3-4mb system ram since it uses shared graphics memory, as well as a 128gb option?

I've been using the ATIV 500 for five days now, and I still find it to be a compromise riddled choice. Size and battery life are grey, and I like the keyboard dock, but performance, even IE10, feels sluggish to me. There is visible lag when inking, including OneNote. The overall experience feels half-hearted. For example, the dock has no battery, and there is no HDMI out in the dock, so you still have to connect cables to the tablet, negating quick undocking for meetings.

I guess I've been spoiled by the Samsung Series 7 Slate speedy Sandy Bridge processor and overall system responsiveness relative to the Clover Trail compromise.

Pirks
on Nov 25, 2012

Hehe, that's what happens to people who buy their stuff NOT in the MS store, hence NOT clean from junk/crapware. Feel sorry for you guys since the ATIV 500t I tried yesterday from the MS store has no performance or stylus lag issues AT ALL :P

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