Samsung ATIV Smart PC: First Impressions and Photos

My first Windows 8 tablet with Atom inside!

My first Atom (Clover Trail) based Windows 8 tablet has arrived. And while I can’t yet offer opinions on performance yet, here are some first impressions—and photos—of the new Samsung ATIV Smart PC.

Background

This is the machine I’ve been waiting for.

No, not this particular machine. Just one that is based on Intel’s new Atom (Clover Trail) chipset. Here’s the story if you’re not keeping score: With Windows 8, Microsoft is supporting two major chipsets, the traditional Intel chipsets (x86/x64) and, new to Windows 8, certain ARM chipsets. The ARM version of Windows 8, called Windows RT, purportedly offers better battery life and thin and sleek form factors when compared to Intel-based systems. They provide smart phone-like power management functionality, with instant-on performance. And systems based on ARM don’t require any fans, so they’re much quieter.

Sounds like a no brainer? Not quite. On the flipside, ARM-based Windows RT devices aren’t compatible with the thousands and thousands of classic desktop applications out in the world, so no iTunes or Photoshop. And no browser plug-ins, either. ARM systems are also far less powerful than typical Intel-based PCs, with much less RAM (2 GB is it for the first generation Windows RT devices, including Surface), a tiny amount of onboard storage (32 GB or 64 GB, typically), and generally smaller screens.

Users who need more can of course go with a traditional Intel-based tablet running Windows 8. You get better performance, but with fans. You get more power, but with less battery life. And you lose out on some very new Windows 8-era power management technologies like Connected Standby. If only there were a happy middle ground, a platform that split the difference between ARM and x86/x64.

There is. It’s called Clover Trail. Well, it’s called Atom. But the codename for this latest Atom version has a nicer name and helps differentiate it from previous Atom chipsets. Basically, Atom is Intel’s take on ARM: It offers the same 32-bit, low resources type of environment as ARM, the same power management capabilities and, hopefully, the same battery life and thin and light form factors. But—and this is crucial, I think—since Clover Trail is part of the traditional family of x86/x64 chipsets, it also offers complete backwards compatibility with all of the software (and hardware) you already own.

Win-win?

Samsung ATIV Smart PC

Maybe. My first Clover Trail system, the Samsung ATIV Smart PC, has just arrived. Like the ARM-based Surface with Windows RT, this is a 32-bit system with just 2 GB of RAM, and the version I have comes with 64 GB of eMMC storage. But as an Atom-based system, the ATIV is of course compatible with lots of software—iTunes, Photoshop, and so on—that can’t run on Surface or other Windows RT systems.

The big question is performance, but I’ll need a few days on that one. For now, I can tell you this: In unscientific, side-by-side tests with a Surface RT, the Clover Trail-based ATIV is opening Metro-style apps much more quickly than is the Surface. It does appear to be faster.

Again, this is not enough information. Its early days.

Beyond this most obvious of needs, a few things already stand out about this device, especially when compared to the Surface.

It’s a bigger device, for starters, with an 11.6-inch screen running at 1366 x 768.

It’s plastic not metal, and it has an awful number of weird little pop-up tabs hiding ports over the USB, HDMI, and SD card slots. I don’t mind the plastic—it contributes to a very light feeling for the device, and help the ATIV feel lighter than the smaller (but thicker) Surface. But the tabs reek of cheap.

Also cheap is the packaging, which no one will confuse for Apple’s. As you can see in the photos below, Samsung really low-balls you on the box and packaging, and it’s pretty dreadful.

The ATIV comes with crapware, which is almost as bad as the advertising Microsoft builds into many of the Bing and entertainment apps it includes as part of Windows 8: In this case, it’s not much—Norton Internet Security is the worst offender—but there are also some weird application bundles, like Cyberlink PowerDVD. You know, since this tablet comes with no DVD player.

(By the way, how insidious is Norton? It actually prompts you to install another Norton product as part of its uninstaller. That is criminal.)

I’m not much for performance benchmarks, but I’ll see what I can do to actually test the performance of this machine against the Surface, not just the runtime performance but also battery life and so on. More soon. But in the meantime, here are some photos…

Discuss this Article 44

tagy
on Nov 14, 2012

That think looks cheap, but isn't.

aritting
on Nov 14, 2012

The big question is since this Intel device run more software, what can the hardware actually deliver on...Like what is the experience playing a desktop game on it (like minecraft). if it can just browse and play youtube videos then there are much cheaper options...

sporei
on Nov 14, 2012

Looking forward to a detailed review of this device, and how battery life/performance is with Clover Trail. I'm going to pick up a clover trail device for sure.

rbwatson0
on Nov 14, 2012

I'd like to hear Paul's opinion on how useful the stylus is with these new touch pc's tablets... Is it more accurate than a finger?

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 14, 2012

Indeed... I want to know if it's smooth like the traditional Tablet PC digitizers or if it's blocky/jagged the way other capacitive touch screens are. I'm dying to get my OneNote ink experience going again... and I'll never convince my IT coworkers to upgrade from their HP Elitebooks if the experience sucks.

Barry F Larry
on Nov 14, 2012

I got one of these a couple of weeks ago and the digitizer works very well. Also, if you pick up a Lenovo sylus (I got one from an X60) the eraser works...which is nice.

Delphi3
on Nov 15, 2012

Does it handle large e pubs and PDFs well?

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 14, 2012

I wouldn't expect this to be an all-purpose powerhouse... casual gaming, certainly, but not serious gamer workstation. Likewise for serious Photoshop work.

I worry more about durability. I have always avoided Samsung because their overuse of plastic feels very cheap. I really LIKE the way Surface feels, so I have a feeling Surface Pro is more my long-term style... especially if it gets 8-10 hours and features an i5/i7 as suggested. We'll see... I'm also interested in the Dell XPS 12.

robertnd2
on Nov 14, 2012

Paul..cant wait to hear feedback on this device. Played with it at Staples last night. Are you going to test the HP Envy x2? That is a similar device and looks to be a bit higher quality than the Samsung (made of aluminum, NFC, beats audio, etc.). Its a little more pricey at $850. It was supposed to be available starting today, but I cant really see where to get it. HP store is showing it can be ordered, but won't be shipped until mid-December. Also, how about the Acer clover trail that is a 10.1" inch device? I am a bit torn over the 11.1 vs 10 inch screen size from a portability standpoint too.

RobHalligan
on Nov 14, 2012

I'm in the same boat as robertnd2. But I'm ready to buy the HP Envy X2 - sight unseen. The MIcrosoft Store online is taking pre-orders at $849 (with no tax). Whether today's release date is real or not is a mystery.

robertnd2
on Nov 15, 2012

I cant believe the lack of information on the availability of the HP Envy X2. This device looks better than the Samsung in every respect except its a few more dollars. The launch date of yesterday has got to be bogus because you cant really buy it anywhere. Microsoft site says they will ship in january and HP online store says ship in mid december. there are no real reviews up on any of the tech sites either. Amazon doesnt have it nor does Best Buy. These tech product "launches" are frustrating and misleading. i would also probably order it site unseen which is against my better judgement. Its one week from black friday..these companies are shooting themselves in the foot from a potential sales perspective.

RobHalligan
on Nov 15, 2012

I concur. And the higher price of the HP compare to the ATIV seems warranted to me as well. A late October HP press release says the availability date is Nov 14th. I called the MS Store Online customer service number to get a shipping date. I got someone in Asia who eventually disconnected me. I felt like I was living in 2002. When I called back I got Jan 15 as MS’s ship date. When I called HP, they said it’s available. It just ships December 15th. That’s an Orwellian definition of available November 14th.

RE Samsung ATIV: I’ve yet to see a keyboard or even a decent photo of one. The pricing of the Samsung seems all over the place: $600 at Staples with a truly awful buying experience, $750 at the MS Store with the keyboard apparently not included, $800 at ATT keyboard apparently not included and some $100 discount if you jump through hoop plus a SIM slot.

RobHalligan
on Nov 15, 2012

I got an "Access Denied" error and my comment disappeared. Then 2 copies of it posted.

chadspecht
on Nov 14, 2012

Does anyone have a lead on other Atom-based tablets? This one appears to be quite cheap and corny...flimsy plastic tabs? C'mon Man! (ESPN props)

daveharruk
on Nov 14, 2012

Interested too on the performance-from what I've seen from reviews so far, general app performance looks pretty decent and it may even play some games,which would be a bonus.Samsung have massively overpriced their 8 tabs though - ultrabook price for netbook+ like performance is a bit of a joke - Acer's devices are looking more promising by the day...

weetigo
on Nov 14, 2012

Love your first impressions. "Norton Internet Security" was a big huge NO for me too. Love to hear how your performance tests go.

thereal_entheos
on Nov 14, 2012

I suggest Intel rename Atom, to either Molecule or Eve. Their codename Clovertrail is also really cool, but you could say that about most codenames. The first Clovertrail tablet / convertible with Verizon mobile broadband gets my money, though the end of the year might come first

The Other Paul
on Nov 14, 2012

Looking forward to your review. A couple of questions I would add: How much space is available for user data out of the 64GB, and does a 64GB microSD card work in this device?

pstomike
on Nov 19, 2012

Approximately 30GB were available when I first booted the ATIV 500T. I am using a 64GB microSD with Paul's drive mapping trick to include the microSD in my libraries.

BrickEngraver
on Nov 14, 2012

ThinkPad Tablet 2 is one I am waiting on-cannot believe ThinkPad will not have good build quality. And going to be manufactured at Lenovo's new plant in North Carolina down the road from their US headquarters-so made in US. Not a big deal, but kind of cool. Thinkpad always has made best laptops although more expensive than most-hope they can pull off a tablet.

Neutronbomb
on Nov 14, 2012

I have owned the surface RT and the Samsung Ativ smart both and here are some of my thoughts...

The Surface.. I love everything about the surface pretty much except that it runs RT. I ultimately returned it because I wanted the ability to run desktop apps (I'm waivering on this now after seeing how futile it is on the atom and not wanting to compromise battery life/size for an i5)

The Ativ- Feels cheap... I've had many samsung phones and never complained about the plastic but when I'm paying $800 for a tablet I don't want it to feel so cheap. Performance wise is pretty shoddy when trying to browse multiple tabs on chrome. Really could have used a little more ram here I think.

I've also had some audio issues that require a reboot.. Dead spots on the touch screen that require a reboot.. dead spots that don't correct themselves after a reboot (Someone try closing the third tab in chrome when in landscape mode and get back to me)

Anyway, I have the AT&T version.. I'll be returning it as soon as I get a chance to spend 2 hours waiting around up there.

Hoping to check out the lenovo lynx but I'm heavily considering just going back to the surface and rolling with that for 6 months or so till the haswell chips come out.

sporei
on Nov 15, 2012

let us know how the Lynx goes before you return that too

saqrkh
on Nov 14, 2012

Paul, please be sure to test out games on the Intel device (e.g. Hydro Thunder, Angry Birds, etc). For me a tablet with good graphics/casual gaming is a must, and I think Windows RT is fully capable of delivering. Fact is, it has the same Tegra 3 quad-core as Nexus 7, it just needs the games, and given how Gameloft is supporting WP8, I'd assume WinRT support for NOVA 3, etc. is around the corner.

joecatskill
on Nov 15, 2012

I've played with this at the local Staples stores and LOVE hot fast it is and the size. It's small enough to feel right as a tablet but large enough to see the screen well with my old man eyes. Unfortunately Staples has never had one available regardless of the stores I've gone to or on line. Something about a manufacturer shortage. Compared to the Asus in the store it was MUCH better BUT about same performance as the Lenova Twist they carry (another beauty but $200 more). I'm buying this...I think. Price is right.

mosan129
on Nov 15, 2012

I tend not to believe everything people write. Back in 2010 I bought a HP Mini 210 netbook with a single core Atom processor, onboard video (shared) and 2 Gig of RAM (533Mhz mind you.) I ran windows 7 home premium on that thing and I threw many programs at it all at once, including CorelDraw 12, online streaming with Netflix, NFL Replay and various utilities with multiple windows open in IE 9 because I'm kind of a IT nerd Fix-it guy and...this machine never missed a beat. People going on and on about how crappy Atom processors are just plain lying. Either that or they're trying to compare them to desktop core i-something CPUs.

The "Feels cheap" comment is just that, a cheap comment, though it may have been sincere. Big deal, probably has nothing to do with the tablet being useful. I don't know about Chrome, but were any other browsers tried? Maybe, but the way the comments were written, it doesn't sound like it. Audio issues? The whole purpose of using x86 windows is the freedom to remove and replace bad drivers and software, do your own updates, and being able to run legacy applications like...CorelDraw, but maybe not while you're trying to run other heavy applications.

I do think the writer is giving this generation one tablet the short end of the stick. I'm going to go test one of these "Atom" tablets for myself, and I suggest other readers here and elsewhere do the same thing.

Remember what they say about opinions, everybody has one!

Rallicat
on Nov 15, 2012

I have a Surface RT. I seriously doubt that Intel's first pass at taking on ARM will be able to match the battery life and power efficiency of the ARM devices. Even if the chip -by itself- could, battery life would still go down the moment you start allowing the installation of desktop software. Any additional processes that need to run in the background are going to kill battery life - and remember, that can include stuff you might not think of (there's plenty of software out there that will silently throw a background update checker onto your machine).

One of the reasons I chose a Surface RT is because I wanted good battery life - and on this front it delivers. For desktop software, I have a regular desktop PC. My Surface is a secondary computing device, and I don't /need/ desktop software on such a device. Even as a primary computing device, if your needs don't extend into the realm of 'power user' an ARM based tablet such as the Surface will do just the job.

On the advertising front? I'm with Ed Bott on this one. THe advertising in Windows is for the content, not the OS.

O
on Nov 15, 2012

The Samsung ATIV tablet was the only Win8 device available on Oct 26 here in NZ (at $1299)... Since then I have seen a couple of Sony and Toshiba slide convertibles.... (at $1800+)...

I'm holding out for the HP Envy X2 but have been waiting for someone to do a proper review of the any of the Intel Atom based devices before I makeup my mind...

Just can't figure out if Atom or Core i5/i7 is the best way to go... if battery life for a Core device goes beyond 8 hours... and standby is over 5 days then I will go Core....

Just bring on the reviews.....

RaduTyrsina
on Nov 15, 2012

But it doesn't beat surface, right? :)

garmon
on Nov 15, 2012

I couldn't resist picking up one of these. Battery life is fantastic, performance is not. It's acceptable, but just barely. Metro apps work well, desktop apps are hit and miss. Desktop games are pretty much out of the question. I installed Bejeweled 3 from Steam. It was playable, but laggy as hell. The included metro S pen app was very smooth and accurate, the desktop mini s pen app was laggy to the point of unusability. I haven't decided weather I'm going to keep this or switch to an Ivy bridge tablet and hope for the best when it comes to battery life.

Bruno H
on Nov 15, 2012

This is pretty expensive.

I have been recommending some friends to take a look at the Acer Iconia Tab W510.
Yes it doesn't have the new fancy Clover Tail CPU, but its almost half the price. If it can handle web browsing and some mail duty, it will be fine.

Whats youre thought Paul? Is the Samsung worth its much higher price?

JimmyFal
on Nov 15, 2012

Try this on the Norton as well. Remove all of it with the uninstaller, reboot, THEN go to All Apps screen and see if you can find still more Norton products that are left over in there. Then try to remove those.

Toshiba has raised the bar for crapware installations and useless utilities on Windows 8 PC's, I would love to hear your thoughts on what Samsung has felt that the consumers "need" in this department. I am dying to hear this review period, hurry up!

israel.lopez217
on Nov 15, 2012

Paul, does it have expandable SD Card Storage? GPS? NFC? 3g/LTE?

jimbie882
on Nov 15, 2012

I hate the stickers. Do we really need to have the Windows 8 and Atom inside stickers? The tabs are for protection of the ports. Whether you think it is cheap is irrelevant.

MikeFarrington
on Nov 15, 2012

I couldn't agree more. I can't believe they still do this. I remove them immediately, but I see so many people who think they'll break something or void the warranty if they remove them. I think manufacturers of these devices need to come up with a better way of getting a $5 discount from the component manufacturers. Most people wouldn't object to a BIOS splash logo that touts the CPU, but the stickers must come to an end.

dalestrauss
on Nov 20, 2012

After dissing Atom everywhere I visit/commenton the Web, and swearing "never again", I ordered the ATIV 500T from the Microsoft Store a few minutes ago ($749) and it ships on November 18 (per online chat). I played with one at Office Depot - yes it is "plasticky" as I complained on my blog, but except for the 11" screen it is almost as thin and light as the Galaxy 10.1, and I really like the idea of an included pen slot and a real keyboard (rather than all my Bluetooth work-arounds with my Samsung Series 7 Slate). It's performance seemed better in Metro than in the desktop (my fear of Atom), but overall fairly smooth and tablet-like. I am really hopng the Microsoft Signature experience will tame the crapware beast that is Samsung (ANYONE pre-loading Norton on ANY computer should be shot).

UPDATE - Too late on my order - it was out of stock, but hopefully will ship today (11/20) or tomorrow. Played some more with Office Depot store demo (no stock there either) and liked the performance but disliked the build. However, EVERYTHING is a huge compromise at this point. Samsung has built-in Wacom and silo, but no keyboard battery. HP Envy X2 has better build quality (by the looks all aluminum) but an untested Atmel stylus solution without a storage silo. ThinkPad at least has Wacom, but the keyboard is not integrated as an ultrabook - basically a carry it separately Bluetooth device with a slot for you tablet to fit in. Asus TF600 is a miniature marvel with solid keyboard, but like Surface it is RT only; no one has seen anything beyond 32GB; no active digitizer. If only I could be a tablet designer!

johnwbaxter
on Nov 15, 2012

One can wait and skip the bloatware by buying at Microsoft Store (physical or online) when they get the machine beyond "preorder" status.

Comes with Win 8 not Win 8 Pro (in common with the other Win 8 machines I've looked at). Which means an upgrade to use BitLockr (not a bad idea for a tablet).

I have a nice Sony laptop (not touch, sadly) that will do for now, so I'm not in a hurry.

MikeFarrington
on Nov 15, 2012

Looks nice, but at 11.6" 1366x768 is pathetic. At a bare minimum it needs to be 1600x900.

robertnd2
on Nov 15, 2012

Not too digress from the Samsung too much, but I called HP sales today to inquire about availability of HP ENVY X2 which is a similar, but possibly a slightly better device. You can order now, but it wont ship until mid december. More surprising than that, the customer rep. said this device is not going to be available in stores, at least for the foreseeable future. I find that hard to believe for a product that has been discussed/hyped so much. If so, this is pretty dissappointing for a product launch. Would really like to see it in stores. Oh well,

kjpda
on Nov 15, 2012

Yay!, finally a comments on winsupersite.

Having owned my share on netbooks, notebooks, PDA's, phones, convertibles, etc., am somewhat excited about these 20+ Intel clovertrail device wins. i am very disappointed that availability is scarce and not well documented.

due to the volume of upcoming Clovertrail devices, it is may to be difficult to make a final decision.

Questions/Comments/Concerns
Battery life. over 6 hours of battery is good.

Performance. Mostly desktop performance. Metro seems to work well.

Compatibility. I am very concerned that the graphics and some other peripheral will have limited features and not provide all the functionality. Currently Cedar Trail netbooks can't run win8 because of video card driver issues.

WWAN (3G, 4G, LTE) support, UNLOCKED, UNBRANDED! This has to be a native feature (i.e. Add sim and stir!).

Native GPS support!

From a bill of materials (BOM) looks like these devices should be less than $500. The digitizer and WWAN may add but for the same price, a touch notebook with intel core i series is better right?

Hey Paul,
How about the ACER W510 you've mentioned you played with in Europe? I I played with this Sammy in store and 11.6" is large for me.

UB400
on Nov 16, 2012

Hi Paul, looking forward to your review. I've been waiting for a long time for a review on a Clover Trail machine.
I would be particularly interested in it from a work perspective i.e. MS Office, especially OneNote. Is it a viable tool for Note taking (using the pen). Battery life when using the above software.
In a nutshell what I want to know, is the clover trail good enough for "typical" (as in e-mails, Word Docs, medium size Spread sheets) work use, or does one need to use an iCore processor?
I did not consider the RT simply because there's no pen support and the inability to run Desktop Apps.

sameerV
on Nov 16, 2012

Paul, does this thing have a fan?

thundr35
on Nov 16, 2012

Paul, have you considered reviewing any of the acer w700s? Considering buying one.

crof
on Nov 16, 2012

I would love to see your more detailed review of this device before Thanksgiving. I'm keeping an eye our for any kind of deal on this device for Black Friday...

pstomike
on Nov 19, 2012

I have been looking forward to making this my go-to device for around the house, at the pool, and travel. Although I really want to whole heartedly love this device, after four days of use, several issues make it unusable. The tablet has required a reboot many, many, many times (more than 20 in four days). I have installed all of the windows updates and all of the Samsung specific updates through the included Samsung SW Update software.

The problems listed below puzzle me. It is impossible to determine if I am experiencing hardware failures or device driver inadequacies. I am returning the unit as defective and reordering another unit. I am very impressed with the build, size, and design. Hopefully I received a defective dock/tablet and the replacement will work without issue. I really want to keep this machine.

I will update my review after using the replacement unit. Here is to hoping for a flawless experience the next go-round.

PROS
Awesome packaging
Great speakers for a tablet
Never warm/hot
8-10 hour battery life (my experience
Keyboard/trackpad dock pros
-excellent tactile keyboard = fast typing with few mistakes
-trackpad is responsive, but clicking the corners for left/right clicks takes some getting used to

CONS
Keyboard/trackpad dock loses connection very often
-you will hear three disconnect chimes when it loses connection
-sometimes the dock reconnects with three more connect chimes
-sometimes it brings up a "USB device not recognized" error in the system tray
-this makes the trackpad no longer responsive
-sometimes this happens when the device is on a solid table without anyone touching it or the table
-all of these issues can cause the tablet to become unresponsive
-because this happens when the machine is not even being touched, I have to think it is a combination of the
dock connection and/or bad device drivers
=requires reboot
Buggy drivers leave the sound choppy and very low bitrate sounding after an apparent glitch
= requires reboot
Graphics drivers buggy, making the auto rotate function glitch and the display unresponsive
= requires reboot
Downloading large updates or syncing large files causes the tablet to become very slow, but still responsive
Keyboard/trackpad dock inadequacies
-no 2nd battery in
-no 2nd SD card slot
-trackpad does not have options in driver in system tray
-no edge motion - when you reach the edge, the cursor stops moving
-no gesture personalization

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