Samsung ATIV Smart PC + Keyboard Dock: Life with a Hybrid Windows 8 PC

A new generation of hybrid Windows 8 PCs hints at the future of computing

For the past few weeks I’ve been trying to use a Windows 8-based hybrid PC, a Samsung ATIV Smart PC with keyboard dock that resembles a normal laptop when used together, as much as possible. Based on Intel’s “Clover Trail” chipset—an Atom system on a chip, or SoC, design—the ATIV combines netbook-class performance with fan-less and stellar ARM-style battery life. So it’s a compromise. The question is whether it’s a compromise that makes sense for normal users.

I previously came to the conclusion that the Clover Trail chipset was superior to ARM and thus the ATIV was ostensibly a better choice than Microsoft’s Surface with Windows RT for most users. That is, it offers better performance than Surface, with the same fan-less design, and has full compatibility with Windows desktop software. It even edges out Surface on battery life, which I find pretty darned impressive given the months of ARM propaganda that was foisted on the press before the Surface launch.

Check out Windows 8 Architecture Wars, Part 1: Clover Trail vs. ARM if you are interested in how I compared the two.

Alas, Clover Trail is no Ivy Bridge.

That is, while the ATIV makes more sense than any Windows RT device, it’s still a netbook-class system. Its Atom-based chipset is fairly woeful, it only includes and supports 2 GB of RAM (just like current ARM-based Windows RT devices). The ATIV has some weirdness that is particular to its own design, including its plastic look and feel, and Samsung’s oblivious use of silly, tethered covers on every single port. I discussed these and other aspects of this device in Review: Samsung ATIV Smart PC.

What’s changed since then is that I finally got the ATIV Smart PC Keyboard Dock that turns the ATIV from a standalone tablet device into what I call a hybrid PC, what Intel calls a “detachable,” and what Microsoft calls a “convertible.” (Depending on how you buy the ATIV, you can in fact get this keyboard dock with the device. I happened to buy them separately.)

I originally intended to write a Part 2 to the Architecture Wars article, and probably still will, but based on my pending experiences with Surface with Windows 8 Pro. For now, I’d like to write generally about the experience of using a hybrid PC and more specifically about the experience of using the ATIV Smart PC with the keyboard dock.

I noted in my review of the ATIV that this 11.6-inch tablet weighs just 1.7 pounds, which is pretty amazing given that the Surface Pro, which has a smaller 10.6-inch screen, weights more at 2 pounds. Of course, adding the keyboard dock to the mix ups the weight significantly. The dock itself weighs 1.6 pounds, about the same as the tablet itself, so the combined weight is 3.3 pounds.

Compared to the average weight of portable PCs from just a few years ago, this isn’t terrible. But holding this hybrid PC, I was struck by how heavy it seemed, so I compared the weight of the ATVI plus keyboard dock to my daily-use Ultrabook, a 15-inch Samsung Series 9. In the hand, the Samsung felt a tad heavier, but of course it’s also wider and taller (but thinner) so I wasn’t positive. Turns out it weighs 3.6 pounds, just .3 pounds more than the ATIV plus keyboard dock. That it has a much bigger screen and higher resolution (1600 x 900 vs. 1366 x 768) is perhaps notable as well. For my needs, the Samsung continues to be the right choice.

That said, the ATIV is really a tablet, so you can always separate it from the keyboard dock and use it that way. And on a tight airline flight, this design will be better for enjoying videos and even playing games.

It’s also worth pointing out the oddness of having all the computer “guts” be in the screen part of this detachable device. Though the ATIV itself supposedly only weighs a bit more than its keyboard dock, it seems heavier and denser somehow, and when connected it feels top-heavy. It’s stable and doesn’t tip over, but I suspect that is due largely to Samsung configuring the open angle of the display properly; if you could tip it back further, I bet it would in fact fall over.

The keyboard on the keyboard dock is decent and just about as good as that on the Ultrabook I use. (They’re both Samsung devices so the keyboards are in fact almost identical, with the ATIV version being a hair less wide.) Wrist support is passable but not great, due to the low angle and the shallowness of the wrist rest.

The built-in trackpad is an atrocity against mankind and needs to be stopped. I constantly brush it while typing, sending the mouse cursor flying to a different part of the document and ruining the typing experience. Worse, I also often engage the trackpad’s Windows 8 gestures, most often navigating to a different app. Getting frustrated by this, I finally used the Mouse control panel to try and disable the trackpad, but in a first, that didn’t work even those it was listed as disabled. So I nuked it from space using Device Manager. This is a ridiculous necessity.

Like the tablet, the ATIV Smart PC has silly covers its two USB 2.0 ports, one on each side. I’m tempted to just rip them off the dock and have no idea why Samsung would do this. There’s also a power port, which makes sense since the tablet’s power port is on the bottom and inaccessible when docked.

If you can get past the trackpad and USB port covers, the keyboard dock presents a nice preview of the future of computing. The ATIV performs fine for everyday tasks like web browsing, email, and typing this article in Microsoft Word 2013, with no pauses or slowdowns at all. It’s not exactly a Photoshop monster, with just 2 GB of RAM, but I do use Photoshop Elements on the device and while launch times are slow, it gets the job done.

Where Clover Trail’s limitations pop-up is in what, for me, is normal multitasking. With Chrome (5 tabs), Word, Photoshop Elements 11, and iTunes 11 all running at the same time, CPU, memory, and disk utilization starts spiking and things begin to slow down a bit. That said, I can continue typing in Word without pauses. (There are slight pauses when you use ALT + TAB to switch between applications.)

Overall, it’s clear that Clover Trail is not ideally suited for power users, but I bet this is just fine for the average user, and of course those who use it as a tablet and stick to Metro apps will benefit from Microsoft’s new smart phone-like power management capabilities as well.

More to the point, I can and do get work done on this machine. I could take it on the road and benefit greatly from its tremendous battery life, a keyboard that is almost as good as the one I use regularly, and compatibility with the desktop applications I still use and prefer. This machine—or hybrid, really—speaks to that “no compromises” promise that Microsoft has made, though of course in its current form, there are indeed compromises. But they impact mostly those with particular and high-end needs.

We know that things will always get better, and as I discussed in New Intel Chipsets Spur Hope for Windows 8 Surge in 2013, this conversation will be quite different a year from now. In late 2013, Intel will replace Clover Trail with a new Atom SoC that will allegedly more than double the computing performance of the current platform. Meanwhile, a fourth generation Core processor, the successor to today’s Ivy Bridge that is codenamed “Haswell” will provide mainstream PCs and devices with much better battery life and some of Clover Trail’s power management prowess.

Price is still a concern. This machine—which, again, is essentially a modern netbook from a technical perspective—costs $600 at Amazon without a keyboard dock, while buying both will set you back about $730. (The Microsoft Store sells them together in a version with AT&T 4G LTE capabilities for a whopping $900.) That’s a lot of money for what is essentially a low-end PC. Granted, its multi-touch/tablet capabilities, fan-less operation, and stellar battery life should factor into any buying decision. But still.

At this price, I’d like to see 4 GB of RAM and a better processor, but of course that would likely entail a fan, which would of course ruin the whole experience. This is one of the reasons we’re all so eager to see Surface Pro, which uses what could be an innovative active cooling system in which heat is vented through slots in the sides; early reports suggest this machine is silent or nearly so. Surface Pro starts at $899, though a version with a real keyboard will be a bit over $1000, which is quite a bit more expensive than the ATIV plus keyboard dock and other related systems.

We’ll know more about Surface Pro, and a coming generation of Windows 8 PCs and devices, soon. In the meantime, a hybrid PC that is based on Clover Trail like the ATIV Smart PC I’m using will work well for many users and is, I think, our first glimpse at the volume PC market of the near future. But it won’t satisfy the needs of true power users.

Discuss this Article 32

MSFT_Tinkering
on Jan 12, 2013

This review kind of tempers my enthusiasm for virtually ALL Clover Trail powered Windows 8 devices. I wonder if even just more RAM would help make things more usable? Maybe we're going to have to wait until Haswell CPU's come out to get performance without the turbo speed fan to keep things from exploding?

mikesmikes
on Jan 12, 2013

People seem to be slowly but surely figuring out why the Surface RT is such a great companion device, although they don't quite realize it yet. :)

Power users want a Surface RT, and a very serious ultrabook. Everything in between, including the Surface Pro, is not going to make them happy.

People who need iTunes have other problems and their mileage may vary.

techru
on Jan 12, 2013

Paul, I read this article and thought I would comment. I bought the Samsung Smart PC Pro, the big brother to this model. Although, it was never in stock. So, I caved and bought the Smart PC. Loved all the things that you mentioned, and saw the same limitations. But, after waiting a few months, I decided that the feature set I wanted was the Pro version, and once it was in stock, I bought it. Now, my wife uses the Smart PC and loves it for what she does, as she doesn't tax it out like I was.

The Smart PC Pro has all the options that you want, better screen resolution, Core i5, 4GB DDR3, and 128GB SSD. So, when I decided to write this comment, I just reached over and grabbed the keyboard, snapped it on, and no more pecking. Battery life is very good. At work, I can walk around my architectural projects, have Bluebeam running with five or six floor plans tabbed, and run an online punch software database and get 5-6 hours of continuous work done before I need to recharge. Since I take lunch, and charge then, it all works out.

What I really wanted to comment on is the fans. The Smart PC Pro is silent, even with all that muscle. I have to put my ear to the fan slots to even hear anything.

So, Samsung seems to understand where the future of computing is moving. If the do what Asus is doing with the Transformer Book, and would add a battery and second larger HDD to the keyboard, it would be perfect.

Keep up the great work, always have loved your site and the info you bring forward.

gwydionjhr
on Jan 12, 2013

I'm still vacillating on what will be the best form factor for my needs, so I've been trying to get my head around all the different devices out there. The plethora of form factors makes it a difficult but wonderful dilemma to have.

The issue of the balance of the device seems to come very infrequently, but I think that is more a function of most reviewers not actually taking the time to use the devices in any kind of real world situations before forming their opinions. Whether or not is was a primary reason MS adopted the kickstand for the Surface we'll probably never know, but I'd put my money on that being the case. It's also a reason I'm taking a long hard look at the slider form factors.

I'm also curious to see if any of the OEMs address the balance issue for the convertible devices by limiting the size of the battery in the tablet/screen portion to 2-4hrs, and add more capacity to the keyboard dock resulting in a more balanced device.

Phil Lozen has a fairly comprehensive chart of almost all of the currently available convertible devices here: http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2012/08/29/windows-8-hardware-explosion-c...

superface
on Jan 12, 2013

It seems that lots of the talk about Windows 8 success (or lack of) has been centered around price. I can't help thinking that this will be resolved as more machines come out. Todays Atom based machines are commanding an undeserved premium but I think these same machines will be heavily discounted as the next gen machines hit the market in the coming months. Is $400 for this machine unrealistic?

dalestrauss
on Jan 12, 2013

As usual, EVERYTHING will be better in the next version. So how long do you wait? My thinking is go with the compromise now (Surface Pro), and let the market stabilize over the next 18 months. "Late 2013" routinely means first quarter 2014 for multiple OEM choices. The Ivy Bridge "Y" may offer better choices in mid-2013, but my bet is without connected standby and other high order power management functions, "Y" buyers will just be even more disappointed then us early adopters because they have now put themselves even further away from upgrading to Haswell in early 2014.

pmbAustin
on Jan 12, 2013

For me the trackpad thing is a deal-breaker. In this day and age, it's inexcusable.

I'm also very annoyed by the trend of getting rid of deidccated home/end/pgup/pgdn keys. I do software development and word processing and lots of text typing. Having those keys relegated to Fn-key combinations is just a non-starter. Especially when it takes two hands (left hand to press Fn key, right hand to press arrow keys). This trend really, REALLY needs to stop. It's bad enough everything is moving to the damn "chicklet" keys, but I can live with that horror as long as I can have easily accessible home/end/pgup/pgdn keys which I use constantly. So that would be deal-breaker number two for this thing.

freeandeasy
on Jan 12, 2013

Apparently Samsung just killed this product due to their views on WinRT.

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/microsoft-news/samsung-nixes-wind...

(apologies if I misunderstood something in the article)

techru
on Jan 12, 2013

Not the same product. Paul is reviewing the Samsung Ativ Smart PC, an Intel Atom based device running Windows 8 32bit, not ARM & RT.

grunger
on Jan 12, 2013

Couldn't agree more with your first statement mikesmikes

I have an Surface RT which is great, but as a Network Engineer I still use and love my Thinkpad X200s (Win8 Pro and has had a couple of upgrades - 4Gb of RAM and a 128 Crucial M4)

However I'm not interested in this ultrabook stuff - I've seen the Dell, a Sony and a Samsung offerings, and compared to an X series Thinkpad they are poorly constructed and vastly overpriced.

All style (and that is debatable IMHO) and no substance.

Maybe the Surface Pro will mix it up?

multiplatform
on Jan 12, 2013

I am not sure how a $730 convertible compares to the Best Buy Dell for $299, but $431 extra seems to be a substantial premium for a touch screen, power savings, and a detachable keyboard, especially if the Dell has 4GB RAM. It is unfortunate that Visual Studio 2012 is too bloated to run well on 2GB of RAM or I might be willing to bridge the price gap anyway for the flexibility. I guess I could go back to VS 2008 which should run fine on a Clover Trail PC but then I can't make store apps. 4GB should be a minimum for pretty much anything nowadays even if other features need to be reduced. Nice red nails, by the way. :D

bdegrande
on Jan 12, 2013

I actually think that this is very encouraging, Getting rid of the fan and getting good battery life are two major steps. Perhaps the next generation will address more than 2GB of RAM, which to me is the major limit still remaining.

As one who bought a Windows RT tablet (Asus Vivo RT) I obviously disagree that the Ativ is clearly better. There is a big advantage in price ($500 includes a keyboard dock with second battery and Microsoft Office) and weight (1.2 lbs for the tablet vs. 1.7 - a big difference for portable use), and a smaller, more lightweight OS. To me, if you are going to get into the price range of the Ativ + keyboard and are willing to carry 3 lbs, an ultrabook might make more sense.

AlexKven
on Jan 12, 2013

You seem to hint that 32 bit processors can only handle up to 2GB of RAM, but I thought that it could handle up to 3.2 GB of RAM. While 2GB is a bit on the low end standards of today's PCs (although Windows 8 would handle it well), 3.2 GB (by my standards) is slightly high-end, and probably only slightly less performant than a typical 4GB RAM laptop.

rhermsen
on Jan 12, 2013

I've been using this setup now in combo with a RDS desktop at work...really comes together then. Getting an envy x3 on monday..cant wait.

beewacker
on Jan 12, 2013

I don't understand why people are buying a "tablet" and then a separate keyboard. But that's cool if that's what they want. I love my Lenovo Twist. Solid, fast & just right for my lap as a tablet on great on my desk as a laptop. A REAL keyboard. What else can I say?

dfey
on Jan 12, 2013

1366x768 is not enough resolution to sell tablets $500+
16x10 continues to be a better ratio for mixed portrait landscape tablet use.

AlexKven
on Jan 13, 2013

On the contrary, a resolution of 16x10 isn't even big enough to show any UI controls or even any reasonable sized icons (the smallest are 16x16 pixels), and thus is not suitable for a $500 machine, either. Such a machine also would not require much hard disk space, RAM or processor speed.

dopydope
on Jan 13, 2013

The trackpad is truly a disgrace. I advise NOT to install the driver as they will bring extremely poor win8 gesture support which is silly anyway as you dont really need them if you have a touchscreen.
When using the keyboard for typing, you can press Fn+F5 to disable the trackpad altogether.

ChrisWarwick
on Jan 13, 2013

Paul, the trackpad is awful, but you can turn it off using Fn-F5. I use a Microsoft Wedge Bluetooth mouse instead which works great. All in I'm enjoying the ATIV Smart PC and have only used my ThinkPad a couple of time since I got the device.

Cheers,
Chris

anbarrasu
on Jan 13, 2013

Paul, I cannot understand why you insist that these devices should have more ram. It is what it is, designed for light work (ARM or Intel, being x86 it would also run light desktop application). Those who use heavy applications would know they need a better machine. More RAM + better processor = high end. Would it be cheaper?

I see your weekly podcast + in many articles you keep mentioning it. It just does not make any sense.

pthurrott
on Jan 13, 2013

It's 2013. not 2002. They need more RAM.

The reason is simple: They're PCs, not some new, ultra-efficient system. Just have 4 GB of RAM in a Clover Trail machine, even if only 3-3.5 was accessible, would make all the difference in the world. With 2 GB, you get into a redundant series of events that impact performance when running more than 1-2 applications: You run out of RAM, which causes you to page to disk, which slows down the works. It's the type of thing we used to deal with on PCs years ago, or on netbooks.

This isn't even debatable. It's just obvious.

JaredTheGeek
on Jan 22, 2013

I had an HP M311 that had 3 gigs of DDR3 memory with an early Atom processor and it was ok. If this Samsung, which I just acquired thanks to ASUS and their terrible driver, had 3 gigs and it was DDR3 it would make a big difference. I am happy with the device, at least for the 3 days I have owned it. If the Surface can do 5 hours then I will consider it but for my needs this seems to work so far. I am a power user but I can manage my use to fit the unit.

qbob
on Jan 14, 2013

An interesting, if academic, question as to why an NT based machine of c. 1993 could run Microsoft office in 32Mb (without paging to disk) and we are now discussing problems with a 2Gb limit. Android and iOS are no slouches either when it comes to memory requirements despite not supporting a desktop.

Practically speaking, an extra 2Gb of memory is inexpensive and can help battery life so it makes little sense to skimp even for light work, clearly a false economy in a $500+ device.

willmax5
on Jan 14, 2013

I bought the SmartPC for $349 through Roger's and a 3 year contract.
No complaints so far, does what I want and knew it would.

With the USB full port I use a MS wireless kbd. for $20 when needed. I can control my Xbox this way.

efjay
on Jan 14, 2013

I agree the current pricing of Atom devices is ridiculous however if there is no need for a digitizer the Lenovo Ideapad Lynx will be cheaper. Still the fact that you can still get light Photoshop work done and have all day battery life shows clearly the advantage of x86 over any RT device. No matter how powerful or battery efficient RT devices get they will still be completely incapable of any desktop work while Atom chips are slated to get fast enough to peform all but the most demanding tasks and still have outstanding battery life. Hopefully pricing will be more sane when Bay Trail hits but Atom still holds a clear advantage over ARM powered RT devices.

Cthugha
on Jan 14, 2013

Paul, you should really try the ASUS VivoTab (TF810C) including its dock. It's design and build quality is so much better than the Samsung (and Acer) products. Only problem is that it's not fully launched yet so availability and updated drivers are still an issue.
http://www.asus.com/Tablet/VivoTab/ASUS_VivoTab

Anyway, I love my VivoTab and think it's THE perfect Windows 8 device (available today). Performance is fine because I compare it with ARM tablets (RT/Android/iPad) and not Ultrabooks etc. For more demanding tasks I use my Core i7 / GeForce GTX 580M laptop (Alienware). And for less demanding tasks i use my Windows Phone (Lumia). Three devices for all my needs.

thundr35
on Jan 16, 2013

I don't know, I have the Acer W700 and it's very good. It's running the same processor that Paul uses in his daily use ultrabook (i5) and has higher resolution. I've been using it with VS2012 to write apps during my lunch break and it's great. There is a fan but you really have to listening for it to hear it. Plus the vivo tab costs about 900 (64GB, Atom) while for that same money the w700 comes with an i5, 64GB, Dock, Bluetooth keyboard AND leather case. At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd check out the w700. Hopefully, when Paul is finished with the Ativ he'll check out the w700. I think he'll be presently surprised.

Tim Jenson
on Jan 14, 2013

Don't people get it? Here it is in a nut shell.
Windows 8 is a smart phone OS that has no place on a desktop. Why would I want to reach across a keyboard and a mouse to make complicated gestures on a screen when I could accomplish the same thing a lot faster with a mouse and keyboard? Why not use the touch keyboard instead? I’d have the option where of reaching over the keyboard in front of me and typing on the screen instead? DUH because it's easier to use a real keyboard that gives me touch feedback when I depress a key. The same applies to the mouse, why do I want to have to reach across a keyboard and a mouse to touch an upright screen that is that is from 1 to 3 feet in front of me. When I could just use a mouse DUH! Then there is the fact that one window apps are STUPID on a desktop, why can't I have two apps open on the screen where I can see both instead of one window. The whole ONE window idea came about because Smartphones have small screens where it would be stupid to have more than one app open at a time.
Put it this way, why would I want to carry around a mouse and a keyboard to use my smart phone with them when I could just use the touch screen and not have to haul around a mouse and keyboard. Sounds stupid doesn't it. Well it is! In the same way that reaching over two perfectly good input devices to touch a upright screen that is a foot or more away from my hands. Wouldn't your arm get tired after a few hours, having to reach over and touch a screen? This so stupid, stupid doesn't even began to describe it. Why can't any of the reviewers and articles get this through there thick skulls. WINDOWS 8 SUCKS for a desktop.
Why would you want to use a tablet too program on, or write a novel or other lengthy document? Anything that requires you to actually communicate an idea with words. That is why we have keyboards as an interface. If PC’s are extinct what do you call a little tiny tablet screen sitting in front of a keyboard? Looks a lot like a PC doesn’t it?
So really do we need to go there about reevaluating what a computer is?

maccyb
on Jan 28, 2013

I have an Samsung ATIV PC Pro and I agree with you Tim. I usually use it as a tablet and Windows 8 is great for that. You can also switch to normal Win 7 desktop very easily, and get a traditional start up panel if you want it. You can actually see two windows even in Windows 8. It does take a little getting used to but once you get the hang of it it is very good.....on a tablet or hybrid!) I was looking at the normal laptops with a touch screen however and you are totally right. It does not make sense to have Windows 8 and a touch screen on a normal laptop or a PC. It makes no sense ergonomically and actually makes it almost impossible to use. Win 8 should have been reserved for tablets and hybrids only and a more tailored system for PCs and traditional laptops. Trying to move those tiles is a nightmare with a mouse and the touchpad that emulates the screen touch function is useless unless your are super dexterous, which I am not!

Moshe
on Jan 17, 2013

Hi Paul, love the site.
I've been using the SmartPC (with dock) for my work as a hospital based physician for about 3 weeks now. It's perfect for my needs, especially with the Wacom digitizer and MS OneNote. The ability to use it as an ultrabook also allows me to work on presentations and writing up articles and other work-related documents, while still having amazing portability around the hospital. Like any other piece of new tech, it always helps if the user has a goal in mind - in this case, while not perfect, this machine meets my needs at a decent price.

ArthurV
on Feb 4, 2013

Have been using the Samsung ATIV for about a month now, and so far, so good.

As the article states, this machine is not a monster. Serious multitasking or running heavy duty programs slow it down. And $600 for the tab + $100 for the keyboard seems steep for such a small machine.

But it covers 90% of my uses. Sit at the kitchen table and write emails or edit word docs. Undock it and use as a tab to browse social networking or youtube on the couch. Drop it in your bag and take it out to entertain the kids with media at a restaurant. I think having all this capability in a single small, lightweight machine is worth it.

Piglet
on Feb 7, 2013

I am not a power user but needed something little when I travel. I loved the idea of a docking keyboard which also is a good protection for the pc. One problem I'm having is that I cannot interact at the same time with the keyboard and then the touch screen without getting a disturbing series of tones which I take to be some sort of flagging notice. I thought at first that perhaps I hadn't docked fully at all three locations but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a way to sync the two parts so that you can interact with both?

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