Second Guessing Microsoft’s Surface Strategy

If only Surface with Windows 8 Pro had launched first....

I’ve spent a lot of time this past week reassessing Microsoft’s decision to launch Surface with Windows RT months ahead of Surface with Windows 8 Pro. And I’ve come up with two curiously contradictory conclusions: Surface RT isn’t as bad as I originally believed it to be. But Microsoft never should have shipped this thing before Windows 8 Pro.

The issue, of course, is compatibility.

Surface with Windows RT represents a future in which the Windows desktop is first deprecated and then removed, where Windows itself settles firmly and solely into the Metro mobile environment. To desktop PC adherents, this is a dystopian future, a hardline approach to ongoing industry trends. But if Microsoft is correct, and I think it is, this is the future. The problem, of course, is that it is the future, not the present. We don’t live in the future.

Surface with Windows RT is indeed a no compromises peek at the future of Windows. It offers a vestigial desktop environment only because it has to, because Microsoft didn’t have time to completely replace every single desktop utility with Metro equivalents, and because Office, today, runs almost solely in the desktop. This very rigid and inflexible system is not ideal for almost any users today because it is basically not Windows, not today. That is, it doesn’t benefit from almost any of the best reasons people choose Windows today.

That will change, assuming Microsoft’s vision for the future of Windows pans out and customers accept and embrace Metro. But engaging in a somewhat pointless game of what-if, imagine if things had gone like this:

In October 2012, Microsoft launches Surface with Windows 8 Pro alongside Windows 8 in a massive multi-product launch season which ideally would have included Office 2013 as well. Surface Pro is compared, favorably, to the day’s Ultrabooks, and thanks to its compatibility with existing desktop applications, browser plug-ins, and devices, it just works. And because of excitement over the amazing form factor and build quality, Surface Pro sells well and gives consumers and business users alike an innovative and desirable way to use both Metro and desktop experiences side by side in a near-ideal hybrid PC that makes the underlying OS’s own hybrid nature seem a lot less strange.

Thanks to the positive reaction to Surface Pro, despite a few niggling issues like just average battery life (4.5 to 5.5 hours depending on usage), developers, consumers, and business users embrace the Metro environment more quickly. The product doesn’t have to launch only at Microsoft Stores but can in fact be sold through all major electronics retailers and perhaps production is actually increased during the holiday selling season. Windows 8, as a result, gets off to a solid start, and instead of sales being disappointing, they actually jump 20 to 40 percent year-over-year, and compared to the Windows 7 launch time frame.

Emboldened by this success, Microsoft then launches Surface with Windows RT in January/February 2013 to a decidedly different market. In this alternate reality, Windows 8 has been a success and Metro app development has surged. So the notion of a new kind of Windows device, one that gets double the battery life of Surface Pro—9 to 10 hours—and costs about half the price of Surface Pro, and can run only Metro apps (plus Office RT) suddenly isn’t limiting at all. In fact, it’s pretty desirable since the new ecosystem has actually taken off and isn’t a huge question mark anymore. Rather than being a risky bet, Surface RT is now a perfectly reasonable and comparatively affordable choice.

OK, what I’ve just described is a fantasy. And to be fair, if anyone else had written this, I probably would have openly mocked it. But I can’t help but think that Microsoft had all the pieces in place for a Windows 8/Surface success story and that by launching these products in the wrong order, they basically blew it. In fact, I think Windows RT and Surface RT were launched first to satisfy some egotistical goal of providing that they could do it. This can and should have been avoided.

As time marches on, the market may correct the problems Microsoft caused by launching Surface RT first, alongside Windows 8. Surface Pro could be successful, and even Surface RT may find a niche for itself. We’ll see. But it didn’t have to be this way, and the path to Microsoft’s future vision of computing would have been better plotted by pushing the PC compatible OS and devices first. This is obvious.

Discuss this Article 45

JimP
on Feb 3, 2013

Regarding Windows RT, I haven’t seen any hard numbers, but it appears as if Intel’s Atom processors are superior to ARM which makes me wonder whether Windows RT was a mistake to begin with.

qbob
on Feb 3, 2013

If we think of Windows on ARM as an insurance policy in case Intel don't deliver competitive power efficient solutions into the mobile space, its a good move. Many commentators make the mistake of thinking just a few months ahead but Microsoft need to think several years. IMO the ARM decision was one of the best calls Microsoft have made in recent years, irrespect of what happens in sales this year.

brians (not verified)
on Feb 3, 2013

I have added a page to my blog that contains hard numbers, with their sources. You can find it here: http://computingcompendium.blogspot.com/p/arm-vs-intel-benchmarks.html
At this time, no currently shipping Intel Atom processor suitable for tablets, is faster than the fastest ARM chips currently shipping (those based on Cortex A15).
For comparison purposes I have included benchmarks for the processor that ships in the Surface Pro. [As you would expect, it is the fastest, though not by as much as you might think.]

gtirloni
on Feb 3, 2013

Intel will get there (in low power consumption) but so will ARM (in raw processing power). I think it's a good strategy to have both because today ARM gives the best battery life and x86 gives best performance and compatibility. In the future it might not be so and the RT/x86 apps for Windows will be there, to whichever platform is chosen by the user.

AngryNil
on Feb 4, 2013

Tegra 3 was definitely a mistake. At bare minimum, Microsoft should have gone with the Snapdragon S4 Pro. Instead, it chose a chipset inferior to the one shipping on its Windows Phone 8 devices, running a decidedly lighter OS with simpler applications.

qbob
on Feb 3, 2013

Surface RT wasn't priced to sell, it was introduced as a comparatively expensive tablet/detachable so anyone curious about Windows on ARM and developers who want to support ARM for Windows Store apps had something to buy. Sure Microsoft could have decide to wait until Tegra 4 and the other 2013 class SoCs better equipped to run RT were available and made more impact but better to get something out there early IMO as a developer.

Much of the criticism of Surface RT is based on the assumption that it was meant to be more than a 1.0 reference device. I personally find it hard to believe those behind the project in Redmond were so delusional as to think it could be anything more.

Other point. Certainly we could do with a revision of the desktop application apis, e.g. a WinRT/desktop type of app - clear out some of the history book of Win32 etc. But (and this is a serious question) has ANYONE attempted to explain how the full screen/split Metro Style UI could possibly replace the windowed desktop? Do the powers that be at Redmond believe this to be a future direction?

Nazo
on Feb 3, 2013

I think Win RT probably made sense when they started developing it and ARM had a massive lead in the power consumption stakes but it's clear Intel has made great strides in this area.

MS should have launched Regular Surface with an Atom processor and Pro with a Core processor and killed Win RT. Not because RT is a bad product (I don't htink it is) but because it just doesn't fit anywhere and distracts from the good things MS has done with Windows 8.

Rancor62
on Feb 3, 2013

A nice scenario. An October release of Surface Pro would have showcased the Metro option early. They should have positioned Surface RT release for the Wednesday before black Friday so consumers could decide if they needed Pro or could get by with RT in time for the holiday shopping season.

bradwestness
on Feb 4, 2013

Yeah, it's easy to say that everything would have worked out perfectly and been a huge success had they done it in the reverse order, but it does make more sense as a transition to introduce the new environment in the version that retains backward compatibility and THEN slowly take away the old environment.

They way they did it was akin to if they had released Windows XP with it's emulated shell as the flagship device to get people to move away from DOS, and then a few months later introduced something with Windows ME that was fully backwards compatible.

gwydionjhr
on Feb 3, 2013

With all the handwringing that is going on about Windows 8 adoption I saw a stat the other day that put my mind at ease.

There is still a huge percentage of machines out there still running XP. Sure, many of them are in enterprise, and will probably end up being replaced by Win7 machines. But for those still being used by consumers, they're reaching their functional end of life with no possibility of repair in many cases.

MS should offer a data transfer and wipe + responsible recycling of XP devices at their stores with a purchase of a Windows 8 device. That's really all the incentive needed to get people to upgrade.

As far as RT for Pro first. I can certainly see why MS made the decisions they did. With 20/20 hindsight, it seems clear now that they put too much faith in the OEMs to deliver actual good devices and in respectable numbers.

neonspark
on Feb 3, 2013

surface will always be a small player. it was never meant to take over the sales of all OEMs and make it their own. Just how could it? there are hundreds of price points served by the OEMs and MSFT was only shooting for the high end.

ultimately surface is nothing more than a reference design for OEMs.

InfoDave
on Feb 3, 2013

The biggest threat to Surface Pro isn't Surface RT, Ultrabooks, iPads, MacBooks or Nexus. It isn't marketing, distribution or rollout strategy. It's the cheap laptop.

Jumbobazman
on Feb 3, 2013

Paul, as much fun as altering the timeline is it doesn't draw away from the fact that MS is serially bad at its message whilst at the same time being really good at doing things in the public eye.

Consider the fact that the world and his dog can download a preview/beta copy of software and use/complain about it as loudly as they want and you hear next to no addressing of that through positive marketing.

As a guy who makes my living off MS I am happy to go and find stuff out myself, but, the rank and file generally are not.

I draw to this point the recent "price increase" or in fact where it was a return to list price. Those of us whom follow the tech press and read around know the facts but average Joe just sees it as MS making a mistake again, add to that all the vacuous bloggers and "analysts" (that's for another day I think) whom do not add anything to the pile and just ship on a partial message and then you get into the situation where the bad press is inconveniently out of control.

Now I personally love Windows 8 and RT and like to evangelise and convert as many people as I can but surely MS should be the ones whom are out there banging the drum with great ads (like the 6 year olds who showed people it was childs play) heaven knows its their balance sheet after all.

I kind of let my point get away from me here.

so TL;DR MS has a terribly fragmented marketing strategy and that I think is the problem.

bzibricky
on Feb 3, 2013

I was told by a MS rep the reason the staged release happened (RT first and then Pro) was to give software / hardware makers time to ensure compatibility. MS wanted to be 100% sure they didn't release a device that wouldn't work with a bunch of Windows apps or USB based devices. Sounds sketchy to me - only because the compatibility between 7 and 8 is so high - but that is their official word.

studio4llc
on Feb 3, 2013

Fortunately for Microsoft, Windows has no serious competition. Unfortunately for Microsoft, considering the general MSM's propensity to be anti-Microsoft, I don't believe it would have made any difference when RT was released. With RT, the storyline will always read like Windows phones: destined to always be a very distant third place.

Don't forget that today it's the MSM that drives the narrative and, consequently, public perception. Even when trying to seem unbiased, somewhat positive reviews are conditioned with highlited caveats or comparisons. Remember when the Windows 7 phone was released: The narrative was that MS released these phones without "cut-and-paste" capability. Remember the very first iPhone Apple released: there was no copy/paste support, you couldn't multitask, you couldn't tether, you couldn't send pictures or video via MMS and there were no apps.

Regardless, Microsoft will work out the issues with RT. But one thing is for certain: Microsoft took PC mfgrs. to school on how to design and build a stunning piece of equipment!

BTW, over on the Verge, members are wondering if the Verge will rate the Surface Pro above 6/10.

pixelstuff
on Feb 3, 2013

The problem with this alternate scenario is that Microsoft didn't have all the pieces in place before Christmas. They didn't stagger the release of the Surface RT and the Surface Pro for some strategic plan to push RT, or to create artificial scarcity (like the movie industry does). Instead they simply didn't have the Surface Pro ready.

The reality of releasing Surface Pro first in a strategic move would have meant that we wouldn't have seen any tablets until 2013. Then everyone would have been complaining that Microsoft missed the 2012 Christmas season.

bdegrande
on Feb 3, 2013

I don't think a Surface Pro would have ever been compared favorably to ultrabooks. They don't have an advantage in size, weight, available disk space, or price, and you can get touch screen ultrabooks. Also, battery life on a portable device is a major issue, not a concern.

RT is and was a stopgap, but Pro would have done better being released later, with either more power-efficient Intel processors or a more stripped down Windows or cheaper and larger SSDs.

plantagenet
on Feb 3, 2013

I purchased a surface tablet the day they were released the product looked like it could be the answer to the mobile needs of some of my users.

I quickly drew the conclusion I was wrong, no domain support, no ability to install other applications limited disk space poor app selection what was the point of this device. Now 4 months on I actually realize the surface is a much better device than I first though.
Domain support isn't really necessary on this device. Sky drive is a game changer giving users the ability to login into the work pcs while on the road, giving them access to all the documents. Office in particular one note on this device makes it so much more than an ipad.
iPad vs Surface. When these devices first came out all people commented on the poor app support and resolution on the surface. Price was also too high something I feel Microsoft felt they had to do in order to not alienate the other third party supplier but also for the reasons Paul said in another piece the need to get the average price of a device up to more profitable levels.

How do I feel today... I actually feel that the surface is every bit as good as an ipad. There are areas where ipad is better but there are some areas where surface is just so much better than ipad as well. The fact is for me windows 8 is a superior touch interface to ipad. The way you interact with the surface is just more pleasurable. Speed has improved to the point where when I use the device I don't feel it is any better or worse than my ipad. Where its still worse is it doesn't have the app support but the browser is very good and if I want HBOgo for example I can use the browser so its not as limiting as it would first appear.

Do I wish the device was more powerful...yes but I also think it is better than the atom versions of the system. Atom seemed to offer the holy grail in the sense of great battery life and the ability to use legacy apps. What instead was the case is the machine was unreliable, as it locked up and couldn't handle the demands of that type of work. So yes it could run office but surface RT office gave a much more consistent experience.

Credit also has to be given to microsoft on the physical design of the hardware no one has produced anything as good. It feels every bit as well made as an iPad yet due to the keyboard covers and flip stand it is just so much more than those other devices.

Is surface RT ideal far from it. But for me it has made the iPad form factor which is just tablet redundant. As to surface Pro I am looking to picking up for my unit next week I have high hopes that this is finally the device mobile business users are looking for.

euskalzabe
on Feb 3, 2013

I'd say most people are losing perspective on why events transpired as they did. Paul, your timeline is one that makes plenty of sense, but I think it's easy to explain the rationale for Microsoft's release schedule.

Rather than releasing Windows RT just because they could, I think they knew they HAD to create this version, not with the Surface in mind, but for an expanded range of low-powered devices that, as has already been hinted at, is yet to come. These will be 7" tablets that will come with the refinement of RT, that is, Windows Blue. 10" devices from now on, I would think, will come with Atom and Core CPUs.

The problem was, and I'm speculating but I'm trying to stay logical, that the Surface Pro design was NOT ready for a xmas 2012 launch. Maybe it was heat dissipation, maybe it was parts (we know it's the first time MS deals with creating all those 200+ specific parts, so production can't be ramping up fantastically so far). Still, they HAD to release something pre-xmas since they were so adamant on the Hardware + Software Windows 8 showcase they had in mind: this respects and proves their new Devices & Services approach, Surface device, Windows 8 software/service.

Seeing that they would not make the xmas due date with Pro and Clovertrail Atom number of CPUs out there was negligible, what other hardware option was widely available at the time? Nearly 1 year old Tegra 3, that's what. Change initial plans of Surface to include RT and an ARM CPU and voila, while not ideal, at least they had something to release with the new OS, even if limited.

Now, this might not have been at all how it panned out, Surface RT might have been an ARM device since its inception. I refuse to believe MS did not know Intel would come up with a 10h battery life Atom CPU, of course they knew, these companies talk to each other and benefit from it. What I can believe, is Intel telling MS exactly that, MS not believing them - based on track record - and deciding for ARM which had proven amazing battery life.

If I were to dream, I would have much rather had an Atom based Surface and a Core based Pro. Now that Clovertrail has proven completely competitive against curret ARM CPUs, I don't think it makes any sense for MS to release the non-pro Surface "2" with an ARM CPU, Intel has proved there's no benefit to this approach anymore. You have to keep in mind, ARM is moving up in performance, Intel is moving down in power. Both of them WILL inevitably meet and Intel just got there faster. I wouldn't blame MS for not believing them, I wouldn't have either considering Intel's crappy power history, but I'm gladly surprised that they did it. Add to this that in late 2013 we will FINALLY get Atom Silvermont architecture, which is the FIRST new architecture since Atom was born, and there's bound to be huge performance gains and lower power use than Clovertrail even (since we're jumping down to 22nm and we'll finally get out-of-order cores).

So, what do I find logical for 2013? I believe companies are creating vertically integrated HW families, so I think this year we'll see the continued expansion of the full-fledged Surface family:

Surface Phone (2013/2014)
Surface Xbox (2013) - 7" Tegra 4
Surface (2013) - 1080p 10", Atom - hopefully Silvermont or at least refreshed Clovertrail)
Surface Pro (2013) - Core based on Haswell
Surface XT (2014/2015) - Multi-Touch all-in-one for the home

Whether the Surface Phone comes in 2013 or 2014, I think it's inevitable if MS is looking to have a family of products. They've repeatedly said 7" devices are for play and not work - and I agree - so a Surface Xbox is basically a given (strip out the desktop, leave only metro stuff with some special XboxNext connection, you're good to go). By fall 2013, we'll have a new Atom architecture Silvermont based Surface (with ARM reserved for the 7" tablets) and the Pro will be refreshed with Haswell. Eventually, they'll release a desktop all-in-one.

I realize this is making things up, but you can't deny it's LOGICAL. Will it happen? No clue, but it would certainly not be a bad roadmap and it'd be enough to compete directly AND fill the gaps from competitors like Apple or Google.

Cthugha
on Feb 3, 2013

I agree 100%. But I think they should have waited with both the RT and the Pro. Only Windows 8 tablet hybrids working today is the Clover Trail. See my post below for more details.

pixelstuff
on Feb 3, 2013

Just to add. I think Surface RT was Microsoft's effort to prop up the Windows Phone 8 app selection more quickly.

quietman75
on Feb 3, 2013

Except WinRT and WinPhone 8 apps dont work on each other.

henador
on Feb 4, 2013

Exactly! WinRT is not compatible with WinPhone8. Just a few of the problems:

1. No edge swipe to bring up the AppBars on WP8. This is a great screen real estate saver and is only available on the larger screens in Win8 tablets, not the smaller screen WP8 phone. Makes no sense at all.

2. You can write a complete program (one that uses XAML) in C++ on Win8. You have to use a C# shell around your C++ code in WP8 to use XAML. You have to deal with all the resulting interop crap.

3. Several useful XAML controls in Win8 do not exist in WP8 or have very different replacements. The Direct3D support in XAML is very different between Win8 and WP8.

4. No way for your Win8 and WP8 apps to automatically share settings. WP8 doesn't even support the concept of roaming files (and causes an exception if you touch the API!).

5. Here's a *really* dumb one - WP8 doesn't include a standard File Picker. Win8's File Picker lets you seamlessly move between local storage and SkyDrive. WP8 requires the use of the Live API to sign in, etc. even though you're already "signed in" when you use a WinPhone!

6. In the mindbogglingly lame category is the lack of *any* bitmap loading capability for C++ apps in WP8. No WIC or Direct2D support at all. No D3DX substitute. I had to dust off some old libpng code to load my PNG textures. Ridiculous.

Those are just a few of "minor differences" between the two platforms. The one true bright spot is D3D11. Once you get past the XAML->D3D interop and texture loading mess, D3D itself performs flawlessly in both W8 and WP8.

Edit: here's a rant by another developer that's strikingly similar to mine:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?551150

The part about SilverLight is interesting. I would see it getting loaded and maybe in stack traces but figured it was just some sort of compatibility thing. I'm in complete agreement with the "Microsoft isn't a cash strapped startup" part, too. This WinRT/WinPRT mess is due to a lack of real technical leadership at the top.

JimmyFal
on Feb 3, 2013

I'm hoping the first half of 2013 is the beta test for all this stuff, and the second half is when it all starts to come together, apps and all.

Not a day goes by that I don't see a customers computer that has PC Optimizer Pro, or a half dozen other customer installed mistakes, that of course will walk right over Norton or Mcafee or Microsoft Security, because it was all let in, unintentionally right through the front door.

It is this class of consumer that NEEDS RT. They don't even know they need it, but they do. Now they just need some apps. Because no matter how many bad apps they install from the marketplace store, NONE of those will put 4 inches of toolbars on top of IE, and none will purport to be an update for Adobe Flash, that isn't.

It is sad to see the type of trouble that I see every day average consumers getting themselves into unintentionally, because there exists an industry of dirt bag companies, that will victimize peoples lack of tech saavy.

hellcatm
on Feb 3, 2013

Here is a possible thing that could happen. We'll have 3 versions of of Surface (Pro, RT and ATOM...yes I think MS will make a Surface with ATOM). The ARM will be the cheapest, ATOM will be a hundred or two more and Pro will be even more. If ARM doesn't sell well then maybe they'll get rid of it and just have ATOM and Pro.

I've been saying for a while that Pro should have come out first. I also think that Microsoft should have done what they've been doing with the Xbox and that is take a hit on the price in hope they'll make up for it in app sales. They could have given some of their hardware partners some of the app sales money as well so they can do the same.

saqrkh
on Feb 3, 2013

Priced and equipped right, the Surface RT could be a superb device for university and college students. Of course, Microsoft would need to make sure that certain plugins and networking software are executable. Moreover, key programs (e.g. Adobe Creative Suite, Stata, SPSS, etc) should work on Windows RT in the desktop environment.

But besides that, the inclusion of Office, the full browser and formfactor would make this device a great mobile-computing alternative to the typical laptop. Many of us in bought Xbox 360 during school, if we had Surface RT we would've certainly used the Xbox apps to great effect.

dalestrauss
on Feb 3, 2013

Next Saturday is the real launch of Windows 8. With such uninspired hardware out there (save a few Lenovo yet to launch announcements like Helix), the Surface Pro will finally provide an inspiring platform for Windows 8.

There is no doubt Microsoft should have released Surface Pro first. The RT is not ready for prime time, mainly because the Store is still sadly lacking in software options. My thought is that since Microsoft is lead by a pure marketing man, he couldn't stand risking OEM defections when Surface Pro blew the OEM's out of the water. They've now had their 90 day grace period and the real show begins.

Cthugha
on Feb 3, 2013

The reason neither of these Surface products will be a success is... Neither of them are ready yet. But the devices with Windows 8 and Clover Trail are, and MS really should have made the first Surface like that.
- Surface RT (and Windows RT) shouldn't have been released until desktop mode is 100% gone.
- Surface Pro shouldn't be released until the upcoming Haswell chips are ready. It's too big and heavy (and connected standby really is a must) to succeed as a tablet, and in its current shape I don't think it will convince enough ultrabook buyers.

My suggested "alternate reality" would be something like this;
1. At Windows 8 launch, release a Surface running on Clover Trail.
2. When Haswell is ready, release the Surface Pro.
3. When Windows RT with Office and 0% desktop mode is ready, release the Surface RT.

Whether you like it or not, until the there are better chips (ie Haswell) available, the only great Windows tablet hybrids are the ones based on Clover Trail. But hopefully the Surface RT 2 and Surface Pro 2 will be good enough.

It's really bad that the (current) Surface RT is getting so much media attention as I think it's dragging both Windows 8 and the whole Surface brand down along with it...

Heavyhanded
on Feb 3, 2013

Paul,
Please try to get a job as a paid consultant for MS. Do whatever it takes to get that position. They seriously need someone from outside their fortress to help with decision making. They make all the wrong moves and don't learn from their failures of those of others. Remember HP and the TouchPad? $499 with no keyboard? How did that sell? And MS does the same thing with Surface RT. I want MS to succeed. I like open platforms. But MS keep stabbing themselves all over with many pains by making bad marketing decisions.

pthurrott
on Feb 4, 2013

Thanks ... But I'm not really sure I have any answers either. Criticisms, certainly. :)

bennett_cg
on Feb 3, 2013

You left it as implicit that releasing RT after Pro provides a well-defined differentiator between the two OSs. The move you suggest here could have reduced a lot of the confusion over what RT is and its limitations because consumers could look at the Store and know that's all they were getting app-wise.

gtirloni
on Feb 3, 2013

Microsoft could have the RT really cheap to get traction and wait a bit more to get the new Haswell processors instead of i5.

dalestrauss
on Feb 4, 2013

A professional (tongue in cheek) question - why are reviewers bound by NDA embargoes when the manufacturer live demos the device for customers in its own stores?

pthurrott
on Feb 4, 2013

There's a big difference between walking up to one in a story and really using one for two weeks. Which will be the delta between what you're describing and my coming review and many other articles. We were told about the store thing in advance. It's not a problem.

dalestrauss
on Feb 4, 2013

Oh, I fully understand, and appreciate that delta. Thanks for your hard work. It just seems that as far as I can remember the reviews came out at least at the same time, if not 90% before, the general public got to stroke the keys even on demo units.

andrewje
on Feb 4, 2013

If MS had released Surface Pro first, no body would have bought the RT version later on.

Jokes aside though, I personally think the RT version is unfairly criticised by the media. It really only lacks one thing over the iPad or Android OS's: Apps (it is a big difference though).

ian.berg
on Feb 4, 2013

Even more interesting would've been a Windows 8 and Surface Pro release in early October followed by a Surface RT and Surface Phone (running Windows Phone 8) release in late October.

jimbie882
on Feb 4, 2013

Assuming the future is Windows RT and not Windows 8, then releasing Surface with Windows RT was the correct approach, but the way this product was presented was ALL WRONG.

Surface can be its own brand. I know they want to focus on Windows RT, but they have created a marketing fiasco with conflicting branding.

I love the Surface brand, but it doesn't tell me anything about Windows. The RT name means nothing as we have been inundated with the new Metro UI, which is now known as Windows 8 UI, which doesn't make any sense with the Surface with Windows RT.

Thus, I would save Surface as a brand for ARM and Windows RT and Surface Pro for Intel and Windows 8. Don't make it more complicated. Gee, I don't know what's going on with Microsoft, but complicated names is what they like to do.

They need to finally come up with a new name for the Windows 8 UI. That Metro Start Menu UI is the future, correct? Why can't they call it something that makes sense. Not giving it a name is tempting, but if OEMs are developing hardware, it still needs a name. Calling it Windows RT is crappy. No customer wants Windows RT. Customers want Windows 8, which Windows RT isn't. To create demand for a product that customers is unclear about is the dilemma.

Finally, fix that Windows 8 UI. It is such a complicated UI. It needs a complete revision.

Many people said the Windows 8 UI Start Menu and Windows RT are not exactly the same and the Apps are not compatible. Is this true? What a way to confuse the users who might think at least the Metro apps are the same.

icwhatudidthere
on Feb 4, 2013

I can think of one reason why Microsoft had to release the RT first: the iPad. The first tablet released by Microsoft would inevitably be proclaimed as Microsoft's response to the iPad.

Imagine the media skewering that would have taken place if Microsoft's answer to the iPad cost twice as much, had half the battery life, had a lower resolution, lost 60% of its storage to the OS and had no Metro apps to boot.

"That's the best they could do?" comes to mind and I'm sure media would've written it off as Microsoft not being ready to compete with Android/iOS tablet offerings.

saqrkh
on Feb 4, 2013

Alongside the current Surface Pro, Microsoft should have also released a cheaper version with Core i3 and flash storage (instead of SSD). Price it at $549.99 with type cover.

LemonSaucy
on Feb 4, 2013

I thought I would be getting a Surface. But I will not. And there's a good reason. I bought my Mother an iPad for Christmas (Surface wasn't available and she specifically wanted the iPad). After giving the thing a spin I realized :

I HAVE NO NEED OR EVEN DESIRE FOR iPADS! And the Surface won't be much different. Why work with a teeny tiny keyboard when a nice laptop handles all that so much better !?

I can see some niche uses for these things e.g. going from station to station in some factory or bed to bed in some hospital. But otherwise they just are TOYS that do email and display webpages on screens a little too small. As if we need more email and email isn't already in phones, PCs, cars, websites, and even refridgerators ...

And there's no mulit-tasking! NONE! You can't do two or three things, it's all LOCK STEP single tasking. No thanks.

When time comes to replace these things expect the market fizzling out. IPOD sales are DOWN 15 % over last year - no surprise. People are beginning to go from gadget to gadget -- When will they realize there are too bloody many of these gadgets, LOL!

psoomah
on Feb 4, 2013

"And to be fair, if anyone else had written this, I probably would have openly mocked it."

Why? Your 'fantasy' scenario is utterly obvious and the result of an arrogantly hubristic Microsoft attempting to force the Metro UI and the insanely confusing RT down our throats was utterly predictable, a collective shrug of [edited] you Microsoft!!!

SvenJ
on Feb 4, 2013

So this is the tech version of post SuperBowl quarterbacking I guess. ;)

jena
on Feb 4, 2013

I've been saying the same thing since Microsoft announced the Surface RT would be sold first. It's a no brainer! Deliver a product that creates buzz and demand even though it's aimed at a high end business user. Only offer the black type cover with it. Once the buzz is out there and the Surface Pro is in demand, then you 'accommodate' the everyday consumer. You release the Surface RT at half the cost and add the colorful touch covers. It has the same solid feel and design and can do everything and more than most everyday consumers need. It can also be individualized so 'mom' can create an account for 'child' that won't come close to touching those important mommy files. Both products are winners!

Microsoft has had real marketing issues for many years. It's not that I don't love that first Surface RT commercial, I'll stop on any station I see it on just to watch it, but their overall marketing strategy needs to be rethought. I don't know how high up that goes but I think it's built into the core of what Microsoft is. Maybe this reinventing themselves as a 'services & devices' company is the first step. I think in the end both products will be a success but it will be after the Surface Pro's success before the everyday consumer looks again at the Surface RT.

Max
on Feb 5, 2013

I don't think the problem is the order in which Surface RT and Surface Pro have been released at all. Most of you guys are forgetting this, but internationally, the presence of either Surface is practically 0. (I'm a German expat who is currently living in Japan, and I have yet to see one in either country.) So essentially for much of the world, these two products can still be released simultaneously. ;-)

The launch of the Surface reminds me of the launch of RIM's ill-fated Playbook: RIM, the company that prides itself on e-mail and communication, ships a tablet without an e-mail client (apparently you could do e-mail if you tethered that thing to a Blackberry, but it couldn't do e-mail by itself).

Microsoft uses Office as one of the main arguments, supposedly you can use either Surface for »serious work«*. But by all reviews (and since I don't live in the US, reviews are all I have to go on), the experience of using Office on a Surface as intended (i. e. using touch) is mediocre at best. In addition, Outlook isn't available and the built-in mail client isn't up to snuff.

* I don't think this is necessarily true for everyone, but I cannot use tablets as my sole computing device -- yet. Not because of MS Office, though, I need different apps that don't exist for tablet yet.

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