A Tale of Two Hybrid Windows Devices: Clover Trail vs. Ivy Bridge

Two Windows 8 hybrid devices go mano-a-mano, or tableto-a-tableto, or something

While I don’t yet have a Surface Pro, I do have two nearly identical new Windows 8 devices on hand, a Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T and a Samsung ATIV Smart PC Pro 700T, making for an interesting comparison. The first is based on Intel’s new Atom “Clover Trail” chipset, which competes with ARM at the low-end of the market, while the second is built around a standard Intel Core i5 “Ivy Bridge” chipset. Which makes more sense?

This comparison is pretty timely because the 500T (Atom) and 700T (Core i5) are just as similar to each other, from a form factor/hardware perspective, as are the Surface RT (ARM) and Surface Pro (Core i5). And because the processor in the 700T, a 1.8 GHz i5-3427U, is so similar to that in the Surface Pro—a 1.7 GHz Intel Core i5-3317U processor, as I exclusively revealed in Microsoft Surface with Windows 8 Pro Preview—this machine provides an interesting preview of what to expect from Microsoft’s next tablet, especially from a battery life perspective. (Though to be fair, that article linked above also exclusively reveals what to expect there, too.)


ATIV 500T (top) and ATIV 700T (bottom)

You can compare the two devices online via the Samsung sites for the ATIV Smart PC 500T and ATIV Smart PC Pro 700T. Excluding minor, non-functional differences—the 500T casing is medium gray while the 700T is black—the big differences are:

Chipsets. As noted above, the 500T features an Intel Atom processor Z2760 while the 700T utilizes an Intel Core i5-3317U processor. But because these are both Intel parts, both can run both Metro apps and standard desktop applications: None of the compatibility issues present with ARM/Windows RT—including not just those vital desktop applications but also browser plug-ins and hardware drivers—are a problem, though of course you’re going to get much better performance from the 700T and much better battery life from the 500T. Interesting tradeoff.

RAM. The 500T’s woefully 32-bit Atom chipset is limited to 2 GB of RAM, but the 700T comes stocked with a far more acceptable (but non-expandable) 4 GB of RAM, most of which is available thanks to the use of Windows 8 Pro 64-bit. A bit of RAM is given to the integrated graphics on both systems.

Display. The 500T comes with a 1366 x 768 display, while the 700T—like the Surface Pro—delivers a full HD 1920 x 1080 display. Otherwise, the displays are identical: They’re both 11.6 inches in size, and provide a bright 400 nits of light. Looking at the Start screens of each device, I can’t tell them apart, thanks to the pseudo resolution independence of Metro; each provides three rows of tiles and look identical. (The desktop, of course is a different story.)


ATIV 700T (left) and ATIV 500T (right)

Storage. The 500T provides 64 GB of eMMC storage, while the 700T has 128 GB of SSD storage.

Connectivity. Both devices feature 802.11 wireless networking of every kind imaginable, Bluetooth 4.0, and Gigabit Ethernet. But the 700T, intriguingly, also supports Intel WiDi. I’ve gotten a lot of reader questions about whether Surface Pro supports this feature but haven’t been able to confirm this yet.

Connectivity. Both devices sport many of the same ports: micro HDMI, one USB (USB 2.0 on the 500T; USB 3.0 on the 700T), headphone/MIC out combo, micro-SD, and identical docking connectors. The keyboard docks for each are identical, with two USB 2.0 ports and no battery.


ATIV 500T (top) and ATIV 700T (bottom)

Form factor. Here, we see another interesting difference that is mirrored by the Surface devices: While the 500T and 700T look identical at first blush, there are in fact some subtle differences. The 700T is decidedly heavier—1.9 pounds vs. 1.65 pounds—which mirrors the weight difference between the Surface Pro and RT (2 pounds vs. 1.5 pounds). It’s also thicker--.5 inches vs. .38 inches—with the height and width being identical; this too mirrors the Surface Pro (.53 inches) and Surface RT (.37 inches) very closely. And while all the same ports are available on the top of each device, the positioning is a bit different, and the 700T sports an off-center rear camera and, more tellingly, a fan vent that is missing (because it’s unnecessary) on the 500T.


ATIV 500T (top) and ATIV 700T (bottom)

Fan noise/heat. And that brings us to the crux of the matter. Where the 500T is both silent and stone-cold, the 700T has a fan that kicks in like those on many laptops, delivering a low but near-constant hum in regular use. The 700T also runs warm: It’s not “hot,” but you can feel the difference in temperature when compared to the 500T. Microsoft’s Surface Pro, of course, uses a very unique cooling system with vents, so I remain curious about whether that actually works over time. We’ll see.


The 700T, bottom, has a big vent so that the fans can blow heat out of the device

Battery life. When I reviewed the Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T, I was blown away by real-world battery life of over 9 hours, which exceeds even that of the Surface RT. The 700T, alas, delivers between 5 and 6 hours of battery life in real world use. I will be testing this more in the next few days, including playing the same videos side by side on both machines. But it appears that the 700T delivers slightly better battery life than the Surface Pro, albeit in a larger, more plastic form factor.

Price. Both of these devices are overpriced in my opinion. The Samsung ATIV Smart PC Pro 700T costs $1200 at the Microsoft Store, while the Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T costs $750. (The latter can also be purchased with a keyboard dock, which I do not recommend.) Compare these prices to a 128 GB Surface Pro with Type Cover ($1129) and a 64 GB Surface RT with Touch Cover ($699), both of which are also over-priced, I think, but cost a bit less. (That Surface device would cost $819 with a Type Cover, however.)

Ultimately, both of these devices are actually pretty good. Not ideal, but decent. With the 500T, you get stellar battery life and compatibility with all of the Windows software and hardware you own, albeit with netbook-class performance. The 700T, meanwhile, delivers a no compromises Windows software experience but at the expense of battery life and a much higher cost. Taken together, these devices nicely represent the trade-offs that users face when comparing modern Windows devices, assuming of course you’re willing to leave Windows RT/ARM out of the equation (which I would).

So. Which is “better”? And how does this comparison color a coming comparison with Surface Pro?

Discuss this Article 22

spinedoc
on Jan 23, 2013

This is such a tough decision. I've owned the Samsung 500T, the Acer W510, and most recently the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2, all clovertrail tablets. Their power is quite surprising, if you want to run a windows tablet like an ipad, that is mainly consumption, you cannot go wrong with the clovertrail tablets. They have more than enough power to browse the internet with several tabs open, and at the same time have an office document in the background and a music program, etc etc. Most everything I threw at them I had no issues with, including light use of photoshop.

With that said, I am returning my Lenovo and getting a Surface Pro, in turn sacrificing thickness, weight and battery life. I'm not even sure I need the power of the Pro, and maybe it's just that voice inside my head from the 90s telling me to get the fastest cpu and most ram. I think what is pushing me mostly is the price, for only a couple hundred dollars more I can have a "real" windows computer. I don't think the surface pro is overpriced, but I do the clovertrail units are overpriced and if the difference was $300 or more then I'd probably stay with the clovertrail.

For those of you with the same decision don't be afraid of the clovertrail units, they are very hardy and have very little netbook reek on them.

GoodThings2Life
on Jan 23, 2013

What applications do you run on a daily basis? If you're not doing huge Excel or graphics programs, then I would suggest you don't really need the Pro. Is it a primarily home use or business use system?

I want Pro, because I constantly have about a dozen apps open, often in Excel and Paint.net and several remote desktops.

pthurrott
on Jan 23, 2013

Office 2013, Photoshop Elements, Chrome, Skype.

BrickEngraver
on Jan 23, 2013

I am interested in the ThinkPad Tablet 2 and was wondering if you got the dock and also whether the stylus worked well. I have written a traditional Access program to manage my wastewater treatment plant and have revamped it so that should be more touch friendly at least to get to viewing data and reports and even have "Live Tiles" lol on my startscreen. My worry is, is it powerful enough to run Access and Excel. I know I will probably like the keyboard as it is Thinkpad and has a TrackPoint. Did you also get the dock, and if so how did it work for you?

spinedoc
on Jan 24, 2013

Its more than fast enough to run access and excel, but of course I'm not a power user so don't have large files. Seems like the 2gb of ram would fill up pretty quickly. I did some PhotoShop, I only went up to about 10 layers and it ran smoothly next to ie10 with 4 or 5 tabs open.

alangant
on Jan 23, 2013

Thanks for the comparison. Now we just need performance information. At a minimum, what is the Windows Experience Index for each device?

pthurrott
on Jan 23, 2013

I'm embarrassed I forgot to include that.

The ATIV 500T gets a 3.2, with gaming graphics being the low-light. Processor is 3.4, disk is 5.8.

The ATIV 700T scores a 4.5 overall with graphics being the low score. Processor is 7.0, disk is 8.1.

zikifer
on Jan 23, 2013

I can't wait to see what the landscape looks like one year from now. Hopefully "Haswell" will be available sooner rather than later, allowing PC makers to get really great devices out for the 2013 holiday season. I think I'm going to hold off buying a new device until then - I don't "need" a tablet, but I do kinda need a new furnace (which is pretty important here in eastern Mass *heh*).

GoodThings2Life
on Jan 23, 2013

Paul,

Do you have the "S Pen" that comes with the 700T? If so, is it a capacitive or digitizer pen?

pthurrott
on Jan 23, 2013

Both have the S Pen. They're identical.

JimP
on Jan 23, 2013

I have a Surface RT, but if I had to do it all again I might have bought the Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T instead. It seems to have the best mix of battery life, performance* and desktop compatibility

*Despite Microsoft's claims about Win8 Metro being fast and fluid, I do sometimes notice a bit of a lag on my Surface RT.

Flyboy009
on Jan 23, 2013

Paul, I just got an email stating that starting with the surface pro release, you'll now be able to pick up a 64GB Surface RT without the touch keyboard for $599. So you'll be able to grab the touch keyboard for a nice $730+tax package price.

Yogi76
on Jan 23, 2013

Paul, in the "Connectivity" section of your review, you say that both devices have Gigabit Ethernet. I know the 500T does not, and I'm pretty sure the 700T doesn't, either. They can, of course, use a USB Ethernet adapter, but they don't include one.

petrol
on Jan 23, 2013

I wonder Paul if you've tested these casually on your lap. I know it seems like a odd scenario, but many folks like to use their laptop on their lap while on a couch at home, at the airport, in lobbies.

While I like the Surface and want to get a Pro, I tried the Surface RT on my lap and it basically falls off if you're not careful. How are these two Samsungs weighted? Do they feel like they'll tip over while on your lap, since there is a battery in the screen segment?

anthonyfear
on Jan 23, 2013

I have concerns about the longevity of Win RT so I'm hesitant to buy Surface at full price - if it was $300 I'd jump at it!

Asus Vivotab Smart 64GB (Clovertrail) for $499 seems to be good bang for buck?

DBSync
on Jan 23, 2013

Paul, you keep saying that these products are "over-priced", but you do not defend your statements. Are you saying that based on what it takes to design, manufacture, market and still make a profit these are over-priced? Is it because there is no perceived value that people will pay that price?

Or am I missing your point?

You always say that the iPad is over-priced as well, yet they sell millions and millions of them. Surface RT is exactly the same price yet no one is buying them. They probably cost nearly the same to manufacture, but one is successful and the other is not. One is perceived as being worth the price and the other is not. The same will be true of these products.

sharpsone
on Jan 23, 2013

I have the 500T and love it. I use it for consumption and light business use with Office, Communicator and remote desktop. It's a little weak on the power side when compared to the 700T, but for typical tablet usage its tough to beat. In my experience Clovertrail and Win 8 is the best tablet experience to date though I might change my tune after playing with an i5 tablet.

B1SHQP
on Jan 23, 2013

I have the 700T and I really like it, the 5-6 hour battery life is OK, and so much better than the 1.5 hour on my old Lenovo, but it would be good if the keyboard dock had extra battery.

As the keyboard dock is a separate item I am hopeful that Samsung will release another keyboard dock that is a bit beefier and includes extra battery and extra ports - Ethernet, VGA, DVI etc.

Overall I would recommend the 700T. I do plenty of VS2012 work and find the 700T so much faster than my Lenovo T510, up to 6 time faster actually. It is always very responsive and I like the 1080P screen. The SSD is great and I have added a 64GB Micro SD for my library stuff (thanks Paul for your tip on setting this up).

I notice the slight hum of the fan occasionally, but generally I am not ware that it is in use. As Paul says it gets slightly warm if the warm is required. I do not watch videos on it, maybe that would kick the fan on. But the fan is a slight hum, so not bad at all.

KBB
on Jan 23, 2013

Microsoft's partners have really dropped the ball recently.
$1200 for a machine with 4gb of memory?
$750 for a machine with 2?
I understand the limitations of a 32-Bit processor, but why so little memory on a $1200 machine.
It makes no sense.

The Other Paul
on Jan 23, 2013

I've been using my 500t as my travel computer for more than a month, and it does almost everything I ask of it. It even runs my specialized engineering applications, albeit slowly. Office works great, including Outlook. These are fast.

Caveats: all of the built-in Windows 8 Metro apps have issues, and currently I'm not using any of them. Not a big deal since I'd rather use the real Outlook anyway. Also, iTunes is not able to play movies all the way through. It starts skipping and stuttering, and eventually quits entirely. Amazon's video player works fine, though. This is mainly an issue on airplanes.

Battery life is the biggest plus. I can get through a 16 hour day with it, taking notes on OneNote, handling emails, and reading the news on the web. Normal usage when traveling. I also think this is a great platform for Powerpoint: all the features of the normal Powerpoint program work great, and the bonus is that I can use the pen to write on my slides. I also like using the pen to draw in Visio, and hope to replicate this on a larger monitor in my office soon.

I question your price info, though. I paid $749 at the Microsoft Store *including* the keyboard dock.

nevinhouse
on Jan 25, 2013

Great article! I've been a Toshiba fan historically, and I happen to have a couple of laptops that resemble these, one of which I bought for the Windows 8 upgrade (works great with 8GB RAM); it will be interesting to see if Samsung someday can do as quality a laptop as Toshiba has always done. In any event, please do this kind of comparison article again, great stuff!

wiport
on Jan 25, 2013

On a Clovertrail tablet, how does using a browser feel like when scrolling a page loading many pictures? Is it just as smooth and fast as a desktop PC with Core i3 or i5 - or are there occasional nasty delays when trying to scroll or waiting for the pictures to load?

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