Windows 8 Architecture Wars, Part 1: Clover Trail vs. ARM

From what I can see, it's not even close: Clover Trail is superior to ARM

Folks, we’re standing on the edge of a cliff. Behind us is the comfortable confines of the PC world of old, desktops and laptops in all their familiar guises. But ahead, we see the blue sky and uncertainty of an amazing range of Windows PC and device types, with varying architectures and capabilities. It’s a future of amazing possibility, but it’s also confusing.

Since this is the SuperSite for Windows, and the motto here has always been “the future of Windows … today,” I’m going to leap right off that cliff. In doing so, I’m going to compare two very new PC architectures, the ARM based Windows RT and the Intel SoC (system on a chip) Atom “Clover Trail” running Windows 8. And just for the heck of it, I’ll toss in a third entry, a very old-school Intel Core i5, also running Windows 8.

If you’ve not been following the drama here, Windows 8 (and RT, which is a version of Windows 8) has been segregated into the haves and the have-nots when it comes to support for some newer technologies. Yes, any PC—including the i5 I’m using here for comparative purposes—can of course run Windows 8. But to take advantage of certain modern niceties—such as the smart phone-like Connected Standby power management mode—you need an ARM-based system running Windows RT or an Intel SoC system, which currently includes only the low-end Clover Trail Atoms. (Future high-end Intel chipsets will support this as well.)

Put another way, you’re forced to choose between the raw power of a traditional (Intel i3/i5/i7) PC and the finesse and elegance, if you will, of an ARM or Intel SoC-based device. In my own use of Surface RT, I’ve found ARM to be underwhelming from a performance perspective and a big step back compatibility-wise. So the hope, the dream, for Clover Trail is that these systems will provide the same device experience as ARM but with better performance and, of course, the same Intel x86 compatibility with software and hardware that PC users have come to expect.

And that’s what I’m trying to figure out here.

The PCs that I’m testing on are roughly comparable from a device type perspective, in that each is a now-traditional slate-type tablet. The Windows RT system, of course, is Microsoft’s first generation Surface, in this case a Microsoft loaner with a 1.3 GHz TEGRA 3 processor, 2 GB of RAM, and 64 GB of solid state storage. The Clover Trail PC is a Samsung ATIV Smart PC with a 1.8 GHz Intel Atom Z2760 processor, 2 GB of RAM, and 64 GB of solid state storage. (And the old school PC is that standby Samsung Series 7 developer prototype: It features a 1.6 GHz Intel Core i5-2467M processor, 4 GB of RAM, and 64 GB of solid state storage.)

I have written exhaustively about Surface with Windows RT, of course. Please visit my Windows RT page for a complete listing of my recent articles about this device.

The Samsung ATIV Smart PC will get a review in the near future. In the meantime, please check out Samsung ATIV Smart PC: First Impressions and Photos for more information about this device.

(The Samsung i5 tablet is not a production unit so I’m not hugely concerned about its results and it is here for comparative purposes only. Unlike the other two devices, however, this machine gets terrible battery life, has a loud and noisy fan—the other two are silent, with no fans—and runs hot.)

I’m not the kind of person who believes in or cares about benchmarks. Instead, I believe in real world usage. So my own tests involve things like app launch times, device boot, battery life when just playing full-screen HD video, and the like. In this first article, I’ll be comparing Clover Trail and ARM in the context of real world Windows 8/RT usage. In the future, I’ll look at how Clover Trail compares to big boy Intel PCs.

Boot time

While new generation Windows devices based on Windows RT and Intel SoC shouldn’t need to be booted regularly—they’re typically just left to handle their own power management, as with a smart phone—improved boot time speed is of course a key Windows 8 feature and something we can easily compare. After making sure both the Surface RT and ATIV had all software updates installed and shutting down manually, I compared the cold boot time of each, side-by-side, and then measured the boot time of each (to the lock screen) and averages the scores.

Clover Trail won handily. In side-by-side boot tests, it reached the firmware logo and then lock screen much more quickly than did Windows RT. In fact, it wasn’t even close: The Clover Trail-based ATIV booted in under 10 seconds every single time with an average time of 9.8 seconds. The Surface, amazingly, took three times as long, or a bit over 28 seconds.

(For comparison’s sake, the Intel i5 tablet took about 14.6 seconds to boot.)

Winner: Atom Clover Trail, in a landslide.

From lock screen to Start screen

Booting to the lock screen is fairly uncommon. A more common activity is to wake up the device and then sign in and get back to work. The ARM and Clover Trail devices spring back to life basically immediately (while the i5 takes a few seconds). But once you’ve tapped that final character in your password or PIN, how long does it take to get back to the Start screen (and back to work)?

Instantly, as it turns out. If you’re already sign in and the device is just locked, you are returned instantly to the Start screen.

But if you sign out and then sign back in, it takes quite a bit longer. Under 6 seconds in both cases, and only slightly faster on the Clover Trail--~5.2 seconds vs. 5.5 seconds for ARM.

Winner: It’s a wash, they’re comparable.

App launching

Measuring this one is tricky because app caching can impact launch times, so I manually closed each app to try and get more accurate launch times. But understanding the test is easy enough: Tap and see how long it takes to get to the actual app UI (not the splash screen). And then since each app provides different kinds of data, some pulled from the Internet, ensure you’ve got the same data loaded.

The results were interesting. Overall, Clover Trail beat ARM when examining the launch times of apps that are included with Windows 8. But there were a few apps that, for whatever reason, actually launched more quickly on ARM. Here are some of the results, with Clover Trail listed first:

People: 2.6 vs. 4.2 seconds

Weather: 8.3 vs. 5.25 seconds

Windows Store: 4 vs. 6.5 seconds

Music 6:30 vs. 10.5 seconds

Messaging: 3 vs. 4 seconds

Winner: Clover Trail

Office application launch times

While Windows RT comes with Office Home & Student 2013 RT, Windows 8 does not. So I uninstalled the Office 2010 trial version that came with the ATIV and installed the RTM version of Office Professional Plus 2013 on that device and measured the start time of the four core applications, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. Here, it’s worth noting that launch times decreased with each subsequent startup, no doubt because of caching capabilities in Windows. But since I was running multiple tests back to back, I still feel the results are representative.

Clover Trail won each of these tests handily. For comparison purposes, the first run for Word was 5:46 on Clover Trail and 8:34 for ARM. But the average of subsequent runs was 3 seconds for Clover Trail and 4 seconds for ARM. The differences between Clover Trail and ARM were consistent with this across Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote as well.

Winner: Clover Trail

Metro-style games

I was a bit surprised by how many of the games I’ve purchased that don’t work on Windows RT. But looking at a few representative titles, I think I have a pretty good idea of how this is going to go: Start times are generally faster on Clover Trail, as expected. But in game, the performance seems similar to me.

For example, the Angry Birds: Star Wars launch time was a bit better on Clover Trail, at 30 second vs. 33 seconds on ARM. (I measured until the main menu screen was available and had stopped moving.) But the game seemed to play identically on both. Hydro Thunder Hurricane was similar, and while I had expected the game to play better, with less lag, on Clover Trail, the performance was near identical as far as I could tell.

Winner: Toss-up

Heat and noise

The Surface and Samsung ATIV Smart PC are both completely silent. But where the Surface gets warm with usage, the ATIV remains perfectly cool to the touch, and that’s true whether you’re playing games, working in Word, or playing video. Some may take exception to the apparent cheapness of the ATIV’s case compared to that of Surface, and I can’t say whether the materials play any role in the heat issue. But the Clover Trail device I have emits almost no heat, no matter what you do.

Winner: Clover Trail

Battery life

The results of my battery tests, such as they are, are inconclusive. When I tested Surface a few weeks back, I regularly obtained between 6 and 7 hours of battery life. The ATIV battery life results have been in the 8 hour range—I generally play HD movies full screen with no settings changes (Wi-Fi on, etc.) until the battery dies—so far. In fact, they’re so good, I sort of don’t trust them. I’ll have more of a handle on this for my eventual Samsung ATIV Smart PC review. But so far, it looks promising.

As far as comparing this to ARM, it’s a bit unfair since I don’t know how big the batteries are, respectively. I guess I’d say that battery life seems comparable. Both have great battery life.

Winner: Inconclusive, but battery life is not an issue on either platform

Conclusions

While comparing a single Clover Trail-based device to a single ARM-based device is admittedly not much of a sample size, the ease at which this Samsung ATIV Smart PC matched or exceeded Surface with Windows RT across the board suggests that my initial impressions of these platforms were correct. That is, given comparable battery life and performance, it’s unclear to me why anyone would choose a Windows RT-based system, in general, over a comparable Clover Trail-based system, since the latter has full compatibility with Windows 8 software and hardware.

Of course, “comparable” is subjective. The ATIV Smart PC is plastic, and bigger than the Surface, which is made of metal and nicely designed. My intent here wasn’t to compare these devices so much as their architectures, and while I do feel that Windows 8 plus Clover Trail is generally superior to Windows RT plus ARM, everyone has different needs, and of course device design can and should play into your decisions when it comes time to buy.

Comparing Clover Trail to ARM is also only part of the story. Having eliminated ARM, I’ll turn my attention to how well Clover Trail compares to traditional “Ivy Bridge” type PCs. Is Clover Trail acceptable only as a companion device? Or can you use such a system as a primary PC? I’ll try to find that out next and look more closely at traditional desktop applications and how well they run on Clover Trail. Part 2 is coming soon…

Discuss this Article 54

Vinny4
on Nov 17, 2012

Wow that's amazing. Good job on Intel's side with Clover Trail, and thanks Paul for this article, your helping with my decision on which device I should purchase.

Rallicat
on Nov 17, 2012

I think this is a bit of a wash.

Whilst raw figures provide interesting data points, its highly subjective to user conditions.
What would happen to the 'comparable' battery life of a clover trail system once a few desktop applications have been installed? Everything from iTunes to Java tries to install background software to check for updates and carry out other operations, all of which would likely send the battery life tumbling.This sort of problem does not, and indeed cannot occur on Windows RT

Those background tasks can impact performance, boot times, operational performance etc etc, not to mention impacting the user experience by potentially dragging down the system's overall reliability.

I'm not saying there isn't a place for x86/64 tablets, but personally the main arena where this compatibility is required is in the business world. Consumers are typically going to use tablets as either a secondary device, or a primary device with light use.

RT is being made out to be basically a kneecapped version of Windows, and that just isn't the full story

jeffkibuule
on Nov 17, 2012

I actually wish that you could take Windows 8 and force it to act like Windows RT except in rare circumstances, because those background tasks are precisely what eat up a ton of battery life. It's why SkyDrive doesn't exist in the RT Desktop, the OS would constantly have to keep checking for new files to upload, and keep a socket connection open for notification of new files to download. No way it would get 8 hours.

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 17, 2012

I agree with you 100%. I feel like we're accusing Windows RT of being crippled, somehow, and I don't feel that it is... In fact, it's what I've wanted from Windows for a long-time a worry-free experience in which OEMs and malware CAN'T screw up the experience. No preloaded nonsense, and no malware infections.

For now, I suppose it's more fair to say that Windows RT is being held back more than crippled, thanks to the app selection being limited. I'm hoping that those 1500/day developer registrations will start turning into 1500/day app releases (with some big names being included soon)... at least, I'm really hoping.

I can live with the popularity of Android, but I really am itching for the days when The Fruit finally rots away again.

stun13
on Nov 18, 2012

Right now I feel that RT is kneecapped while we wait for Metro apps to come in and there are still some issues they are having to work out, like the music app having problems in low power state. But the good news is that they are software problems and can be fixed with updates (I hope)

ciscog33k
on Nov 18, 2012

+1

People need to chill. Also, for business use, lack of x86 compatibility isn't the end of the world. It's called virtualization folks! Aside from that, THE thing you actually need loaded on a tablet is Office.

And the apps will come. Unlike windows phone, windows is too big a market for anyone to ignore.

Vinny4
on Nov 17, 2012

That's true, however I don't agree on your outlook for consumers, I find a lot of people are now meshing work/personal in one device (I'm seeing this more and more being a systems/network admin) , so that backwards compatibility is always good to have in both worlds.

Rallicat
on Nov 17, 2012

That's debatable. I too work in the same field, and I agree that where someone wants to 'BYOD', then they absolutely need that compatibility. If however they want a tablet purely for personal use, then that compatibility can be a liability.

I don't see BYOD as a big deal in the long run, time and again many businesses have discovered the moment they want to enforce IT policy on devices the business doesn't own, it starts to fall apart.

Vinny4
on Nov 18, 2012

Agreed 100%

jeffkibuule
on Nov 17, 2012

I would be wary of judging all ARM SoCs on a year-old chipset. When we've got the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro which wipes the floor of the Tegra 3 shipping in products right now, and next-generation ARM CPUs available by the time the Surface RT 2 ships, it's clear the current Surface RT suffers from first-generation woes where specs had to be locked down months in advance as the software was still being built.

MarcSilverTriple
on Nov 17, 2012

Reading this, I'm asking myself how RT will be relevant on the long term. There was a big assumption in the past saying that X86 would not be relevant in terms of battery life, and this might remove all the false theory on this. Further, The big question is why going to ARM if X86 can achieve the same thermal and power envelope with better performance...

saqrkh
on Nov 17, 2012

The Metro style gaming observations were interesting, I wish I could actually see them in action (on Clover Trail) in person/video. Thanks Paul!

mikeg
on Nov 17, 2012

Does win rt give a windows experience score?

pthurrott
on Nov 18, 2012

No.

The Other Paul
on Nov 17, 2012

Great article! I've been waiting for something like this. When you compare Clover Trail with Corei5, to me the most relevant comparison is against the previous generation Corei5, since then I can compare the new tablet against the old notebook that I'm already familiar with, so I have a point of reference.

I hope you'll make comparisons using some challenging real-life scenarios such as: reviewing and commenting on a 1000-page Word document, or recalculating a very large, complex spreadsheet, or editing a 200-slide Powerpoint file. No one would try to create these big files on a tablet, but reviewing and editing are likely scenarios.

ReformedCtrlZ
on Nov 17, 2012

Take a look at how close those figure are and then look at the processors of each device. Surface is almost the same on almost all fields and is also significantly cheaper. I think that Surface RT is an incredibly useful device and have barely been able to put mine down since I got it.

In my personal usage of Windows 8 vs Windows RT, the main thing to consider when deciding which to purchase is what you want out of the device. I haven't found much that I can't do on my Surface RT that I would actually WANT to do on a tablet. It kinds sucks that I can't run Visual Studio on here, until I remember that this is a tablet with a 10in screen. I wouldn't code on here if I could anyway. And there are several competent code markup apps I can use to write code, just not to compile it.

The main thing to keep in mind is Expected Usage and Price. It usually is an easy answer.

ninja
on Nov 17, 2012

It is good to see Intel coming strong with Clover Trail.

But there is still one big advantage moving to RT applications, and the big one is not carrying old application baggage. Bad applications are causing more issues to the way Windows is perceived. Some dozens of those get started at boot time, and mar the whole experience. The RT application lifetime and resource use is better managed, more secure and the way to go in future.

ad24
on Nov 17, 2012

Many thanks for this article. I am buying Acer Iconia W510. I have ruled out Win RT on incompatibility issues, and I guess Atom is good enough to decently run office apps. I have 11.6" Acer 1410 (Celeron SU2300 processor) which, in my opinion, has enough performance for a highly mobile device. I hope the new Atom matches SU2300 performance wise... It would be nice if you made a video showing us How Ativ runs Word and Excel.

pdxtechdoctor
on Nov 17, 2012

According to the spec sheets, the Surface has a 31.5 W-h battery and the Samsung has a 30 W-h..

This makes the Samsung even more impressive since it seems to be faster and has a bigger display, which we know is the highest power draining component these days..

If it's like this know, just wait till the new atoms come out that finally have a new faster core and are supposed to draw even less power. Intel really looks like it has a winner on it's hands.

I thought about getting an RT unit and just using RDP when I need to access x86 apps. I have an EliteBook Windows 7 hybrid, that I haved used for my Win8 testing and they have really optimized the RDP in Win8 over Win7.. it is significantly faster and smoother over the internet.

But if I can get x86 compatibility and the same if not better battery life than why not!

My only real complaint with the clovertrail hybrids are the price.. I mean these really are $299 netbooks that now cost $799.. $500 to make it into a hybrid?? really are you kidding me?

I know there is some extra costs but lets break it down..

SSD vs HD
SSDs have some down significantly in price... and a lot of these tablets only have 32GB.. I really don’t see how this is much more than $20 over the cost of the 320GB drives they put in netbooks…
$20 more..

IPS screen.. ok I’ll give you $50 there. Probably less… MUCH less but lets just roll with it..

Hinge and other case changes… again I don’t know but let’s say $100..
RAM 1GB vs 2GB..really? $5 bucks..
Last maybe the windows license since there is no Win8 Starter… say $50 for the license..

That comes to $225

That means these units should cost $525, not $800 for $500 I might buy one but not till they drop next year..

alokk
on Nov 17, 2012

thanks paul.. not very rigorous as other sites do but very useful comparison.. :)

you mentioned Intel i5 tablet had much worse boot time than clover trail!! that's strange (I can understand delay in waking up but why is there such big difference in booting time?)

if possible can you please do a comparison for Clover Trail vs i5/i7 ivy bridge tablets (ativ pc pro may be) for other attributes like heat/noise, battery life etc...

Jack
on Nov 18, 2012

I can understand why MS would want to release an ARM version, but it's totally baffling to me as to why they would release it first. A summer '13 release date, sans desktop, with Metro Office, and a much larger app selection would have made so much more sense.

Question about the comparison - is it possible the Surface has storage with slower I/O, or is that type of thing negligible amongst tablets?

Jack
on Nov 18, 2012

Just to partially answer my own question - there's now an I/O benchmark on youtube for the 64GB Smart PC:

CrystalDiskMark result - 77, 77, 6, 7 read; 16, 11, 1, 1 write (MB/sec)

gr3enChkl8
on Nov 18, 2012

"I’m not the kind of person who believes in or cares about benchmarks."
- I like that :)

henador
on Nov 18, 2012

Those tests were all system-level tests, not CPU tests. They mostly stress the components around the CPU (disk subsystem for app and system load times, GPU for games, etc.). The most important test, imho, is the battery-life test. It basically shows that there's no advantage to an ARM system over an Atom system -- which means that the Surface RT ended up being a wasted, confusion-creating effort on MSFT's part. Of course, in MSFT's defense, back when they started designing the Surface RT there wasn't a Clovertrail Atom available.

From what I've read on other sites, Clovertrail Atoms should be 20-50% faster than the Tegra3 in strictly CPU tests. The i5M/i5U should blow both of them out of water, at 2-4X faster in CPU tests. I don't know much about the GPU in the i5M/i5U but I imagine it will easily beat the CloverTrail and ARM. The upcoming Haswell line will increase the i5 CPU performance more (<100% increase) but will double the GPU performance.

Pantou
on Nov 18, 2012

...And the new Haswell(I5M/I5U) have the same power Management technoly like the Intel Atom Clover Trail ...Very important to add...

Bryan
on Nov 18, 2012

Paul, after using the SurfaceRT for a couple of weeks, it is apparent that this device is clearly here to compete with the iPad and Android tablets. It requires minimal PC knowledge for someone that also wants a bit more than an iPad. Once you set aside the learned Windows expectations of many years - it was a delight to use with the full knowledge that Microsoft will update this device regularly and fix a number of the issues (mail, photos, file manager, camera image quality etc) that are to be expected in a version 1.0 product. I have absolutely no doubt about this. And MS really did have to get this product to market this year without any excuses – and they did this.

As for the SurfacePro device, this is a product that will suit those people with a reasonable (to advanced) PC knowledge, that need to be able to have access to all their previous Windows applications and yet require a (powerful) tablet format. Microsoft needed to offer a device or alternative offering the full complement of (MS) services, security and options that small to large businesses demand. I feel confident that MS has laid the foundations for a much needed change. With a billion odd users and emerging markets, medium slow is the only way they can satisfy existing users and still attract new users.

ChrisB
on Nov 18, 2012

Paul, since the ATIV comes loaded with bloat/crapware, is there any way to remove/reinstall the OS to base state maybe usingthe Refresh or Remove everything options?

stun13
on Nov 18, 2012

Great info, very helpful. Although I like my Surface (writing this comment on it) because it serves my needs as a secondary device for primarily information consumption. Also, I freely admit to being an MS fanboy and I'm ok with early adopter pain. But I'll be interested to see how well Intel does on developing its SoC platform. By the time I'm ready to replace my Surface it looks like I'll have some good options to choose from.

sircasio
on Nov 18, 2012

Great write up - I was wondering the,same thing after playing with the ATIV. As you mentioned the Samsung feels cheap. A Clover trail Surface would be my ideal device - I think a Core processor in a tablet makes no sense. I think Microsoft missed a great opportunity here - perhaps they should have made a Surface RT, Surface (atom) and the Pro. Also, had Samsung not made their tablet feel cheap, I may have already picked one up. I think a Clover Trail Win8 'book' would also be ideal for my wifes needs.

Nakazul
on Nov 18, 2012

It will be intresting to see how well VLC performs on the Atom series, and will it give better battery, life rather then using the internal video player....or worse.
Its so hard to like the new Microsoft that have a great OS design, but so many feat. missing.
And whats up with IE9 and IE10 and the way they use HTML5? My friends iPhone can look at our national TV channels in Safari, but there is no go on WP or Xbox. All i get is install the cursed Flash.
Im really confused. I was hellbent on getting WP8 for sure (availble at the end of this month]. But the L920 i want have reports on many bugs, and then there is no video support, and then there is no fm radio, and then there is the missing basic aps that works on WP7 and not WP8, or just being buggy betas. Im getting really scared about replacing my HTC Titan with any new WP8 phones that i craved for so long now. I dont know, its scary being a Microsoft fan (sorry, cant spell anthusiast correct, english is not native). For me its not confusing, only scary with a lot of question marks when, or if, we will see the feat. missing getting implemented.

Nakazul
on Nov 18, 2012

Of sorry, forgott. Great article! Keep up the great work.

whiplash55
on Nov 18, 2012

Thanks for the informative article, I'd like to add a category however, security. Right now the RT based system should be far less likely to get an infection than Intel based systems which are vulnerable to pretty much anything a Windows 7 machine is.

Pantou
on Nov 18, 2012

Great Artikel.. I like it !!!

ciscog33k
on Nov 18, 2012

Also... Is anyone else a bit surprised by Microsoft's decision to use an i5 instead clovertrail in the surface pro? I'm assuming they're using the ULV versions of the chip but you'll still lose connected standby and presumably some battery life.

FYI my theory on surface pro "delay" is that they were waiting for the newest ULV chips to be available in sufficient quantity and they were only released in the fall... but what do I know?

Wol
on Nov 19, 2012

Microsoft want to promote RT. Clovertrail competes with that. I can see why they haven't made a Clovertrail Surface (yet).

AFA Pro delay... I think Microsoft will be surely be getting advanced access to the next gen chips.

The current I5 ULV chips are nice tech. But, they have considerably shorter battery life than most tablets. They also have fans and vent hot air .. not.. tablet friendly.

ciscog33k
on Nov 19, 2012

Ya, I can see them wanting to promote RT, but sticking an i5 in a tablet sounds like a horrible idea, and i'm about as pro-ms and pro-surface as you can get (being in IT and using their enterprise software every day), but it just doesn't make sense. I guess we'll see in a month in a bit. Wonder if the pro will have any sort of radio besides wifi? I think surface has good potential but i'm probably going to wait for gen 2. Can't imagine them not putting in a 1080p on the RT at that point. Regardless of how nice the screen is (and it is), when 5" phones get 1080p, it'll be pretty embarrassing not to have it.

ScottJ
on Nov 19, 2012

Great job Paul, will be you be reviewing the thinkpad tablet 2 as that has the clovertrail chip inside it and being a thinkpad, it should be built like a tank.

studio4llc
on Nov 19, 2012

I saw this unit at Staples last week and was extremely disappointed in the build quality. Too much shiny plastic, unlike the Thinkpad x series pre-Windows 8. Let's hope Lenovo refreshes the x220t for Windows 8 and keeps it around for more serious power users.

studio4llc
on Nov 19, 2012

Admittedly, I'm a bit confused by all the people trying to compare the Surface RT with a Windows x86 tablet. First, are they not for different markets? The RT being more for the iPad/Android type "consumers".

I do find it encouraging that the RT seems to hold its own in this comparison test. It therefore seems to me that the RT may just be superior to the iPad/Android tablets?

JSBinSLC
on Nov 19, 2012

Thank you for this very helpful article Mr. Thurrott. The article and many of the comments are helpful for me. I hope you keep these things coming. I am interested in the other clover trail, and regular core tablets, as compared to the various RT (ARM) tablets, so I hope you keep these kinds of articles coming. Very useful!

rgc6789
on Nov 19, 2012

Good article. Very interested in reading about the comparison of Clover vs i5. I'm considering replacing my laptop with a Windows Tab of some sort. As a developer, ARM is out. However, since my work is mostly web development, I don't need heavy horsepower - just the necessary tools - VS, etc.

neonspark
on Nov 20, 2012

I've been looking for this. Thanks. However the Samsung Ativ 500 we have in the office was very disappointing in the battery life department. For example, simply showing it around to a few co workers for about 20 minutes, and the device had dropped 10% of its battery charge!!!.

compared to surface, which only dropped 2%, I couldn't help but to look at clovertrail as a bridge to the next gen intel chips which may give ARM a run for its money.

until that happens, as much as I think clover trail is faster and better, unless you plan to have this thing docked all the time, I would skip any such tablet.

Bill R
on Nov 20, 2012

This is good news. Frankly if Clover Trail is a performance leader why would I want to switch to ARM at all? Especially if ARM requires a whole new set of apps and tools I can't share with my regular Windows PC?

dalestrauss
on Nov 20, 2012

I really look forward to part two (as I still await my ATIV 500T) from the Microsoft Store. However, I have to say I have had a much better experience (other than low battery life - which is the same) with my production model Samsung Series 7 S tablet. I went through each revision of Windows 8 (DP, CP, RP) with great success, and the Windows 8 Pro final has been rock solid (and only did upgrade, not clean install). I then committed a sin by doing brain surgery (switched out 128GB SSD for 256GB) which worked successfully. I must be deaf because I rarely hear the fan and it doesn't get any warmer than my usual ultrabook even in the OEM case.

I want the 500T for more portability with a real keyboard (would be nice if it had spare battery though) and 8-10 hour battery life. The S7S is good for 3.5-4 hours of real work before it gives up the ghost.

JaredTheGeek
on Nov 20, 2012

The biggest difference is that the RT devices are to compete with the Android tablets and iPad. I have a VivoTab RT and it does not seem to lag like your surface and the keyboard with the integrated battery is fantastic. ARM chips keep getting more powerful and providing great battery life while Intel is struggling for battery life. My Vivo replaced my Transformer Prime and I have been happy. There are compromises but there were more with an Android Tablet. Also with a new Win 8 device it might be great but bog it down and you will see problems where as an RT device can skip those problems.

Krewell
on Nov 21, 2012

There's a few factors you're leaving out: the Samsung model is more expensive that the Surface and you have to spend an extra $100+ for Office. Also, at Windows 8 launch, you couldn't get the Samsung and even now, there's limited quantities available.
I bought the Surface and I agree it is hobbled by the choice of an aging Tegra 3 processor. There's even a new version of Tegra 3 that runs at 1.7GHz available in the new HTC One X+ phone. Microsoft apparently locked down the Surface spec too early to use either the newer Nvidia part or the Qualcomm Snapdragon.

Still, I find the Surface usable. I also choose it because I expect MS will update it more rapidly as it is their own product.

grellanl
on Nov 21, 2012

Clover Trail may be faster than Tegra 3, but is it actually fast enough to be worthwhile for "legacy" software? Most of the real Win32 apps that you'll actually want to use are only worthwhile if you have decent horsepower. If it's still slow enough that there's no point installing Steam, or your CAD/video editing/whatever software will crawl, you're probably just going to end up sticking with the Metro/WinRT environment anyway, right? And once you're up and running it seems like either chipset is fine in that environment.

To me, the case for x86/64 tablets seems stronger at the higher end, where they can actually serve as real laptop replacements.

sharpsone
on Nov 27, 2012

Within reason it should be able to handle most business driven apps...unless your opening a 10GB PST file or Access DB but most people are savvy enough to avoid that.

drbaltazar
on Nov 22, 2012

Bang for $?nexus 7 32gb hspa+! I would have got a w8 pro surface but I don't care about bling going a la surface or iPad!

pthurrott
on Nov 22, 2012

:) OK.

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