Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections, Plenty of Blame to Go Around

Uncertainty could turn Windows 8 into the next Vista

Update: Based on the feedback, some have misunderstood this post: Microsoft has not met its internal projections for Windows 8 sales. Given this, as it’s happened, I provided some possible explanations for what went wrong (in addition to Microsoft’s finger pointing at PC makers). Those are simply my best guesses, not "facts," and certainly debatable. But you can expect Microsoft to eventually release sales numbers for Windows 8, numbers that it will use to prove (or at least contort) that everything’s just fine. That doesn’t change the central premise here, which is the reason I published this post: Internally, Microsoft is blaming PC makers for Windows 8’s slower-than-it-expected start. But I think it’s more nuanced than that. Even Vista sold hundreds of millions of copies a year. Windows 8 will certainly do better than that. --Paul

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Sales of Windows 8 PCs are well below Microsoft’s internal projections and have been described inside the company as disappointing. But here’s the catch: The software giant blames the slow start on lackluster PC maker designs and availability, further justifying its new Surface strategy. But Windows 8’s market acceptance can be blamed on many factors.

One of my most trusted sources at Microsoft confirmed Windows 8’s weak start this week. And with all of the drama surrounding Windows 8 and the recent, unexpected departure of Windows chief Steven Sinofsky, rumors are sure to swirl. But looked at logically, some trends emerge.

Microsoft blames the PC makers. My source cited to me the PC makers’ “inability to deliver,” a damning indictment that I think nicely explains why the firm felt it needed to start making its own PC and device hardware. In a related conversation with Microsoft the week after BUILD, I floated the notion that the company’s retail store expansion could one day lead to it becoming the number one in-store experience for PC makers’ wares, a not-so-subtle change in their relationships. This idea had clearly been considered as a possible future, leading me to believe that Microsoft has indeed soured on its traditional partner relationships and is looking to shake things up.

Lingering questions about Sinofsky. While Steven Sinofsky was removed from Microsoft because of his divisiveness and his ostracizing of far too many valuable executives and employees, many will continue to wonder if some failing in Windows 8 (and Windows RT) is what in fact led to his ouster. The timing on his departure couldn’t be worse, and while the promotion of his closest lieutenant, Julie Larson-Green, was clearly designed to promote the notion of orderly transition, the fact that she wasn’t made president of the Windows division hints at more changes to come. One of Microsoft’s many problems under the Sinofsky regime was that it wasn’t at all transparent: Its current lack of transparency about the succession plan for Windows is just as problematic because it makes those outside the company distrust anything they say. This lack of trust will cause consumers to look elsewhere.

It’s the economy, stupid. Microsoft launched Windows 8 at a time of great economic uncertainty and midstream in business deployment of the product’s predecessor, Windows 7. It doesn’t take a tech analyst expert to know that businesses are simply not going to deploy Windows 8 in great numbers. And while that’s obvious, it also means that only consumer acceptance of Windows 8 can possible help this release match the success of its predecessors. But consumers have plenty of choice these days, and many are quite comfortable stretching out the next PC purchase and using a companion device, like an iPad or other tablet. The problem is, they may discover that’s all the computer they need and simply opt out of Windows going forward.

Confusing range of device types. Faced with a reimagined, touch-focused Windows that is more at home on mobile devices than traditional PCs, and responding to increasingly hysterical pleas from Microsoft to innovate more, PC makers attempted to do in hardware what Microsoft did in Windows 8’s software: Create hybrid devices that could serve all needs. Unfortunately, the result is a mess of different hybrid designs, rather than a concerted, industry-wide effort to consolidate around a few basic designs. The result is obvious: Confusion, both on the PC maker side—where different companies are pushing a variety of different design types—and with consumers, who simply don’t know which, if any, device types to make. I love Lenovo, but consider this one PC maker’s designs: The firm is selling traditional laptops and Ultrabooks, touch-based laptops and Ultrabooks, “multimode” convertible laptop/tablets (the Yoga line), a traditional convertible Ultrabook (ThinkPad Twist), slate-type tablets (ThinkPad Tablet 2), slate-type tablets with keyboard docks (IdeaPad Lynx), and then a related but separate line of Android tablets. And that’s just the portable computers.

Windows 8. It’s a floor wax. No, it’s a dessert topping. Microsoft’s new whatever-the-F-it-is operating system is a confusing, Frankenstein’s monster mix of old and new that hides a great desktop upgrade under a crazy Metro front-end. It’s touch-first, as Microsoft says, but really it’s touch whether you want it or not (or have it or not), and the firm’s inability to give its own customers the choice to pick which UI they want is what really makes Windows 8 confounding to users. I actually like Windows 8 quite a bit and can’t imagine switching back. But I do understand the complaints of customers who aren’t getting what they wanted or asked for.

Windows RT. Imagine Apple announcing a major new version of iOS and then releasing a new tablet that runs Mac OS X instead of that new iOS version. Doesn’t make a lick of sense, does it? Well, that’s what Microsoft did: On the day that Microsoft launched Windows 8, it also launched Surface … running Windows RT. And while Windows RT is obvious a version of Windows 8, it’s a largely incompatible version of Windows 8, and one that runs in the resource constrained ARM environment. That means no existing desktop software will run on these devices, not to mention lots of hardware. Confusing? You bet. And I actually get this stuff. What’s a typical consumer to think?

Surface. And speaking of Surface, it bears repeating that Microsoft is now competing directly with its partners. But even educated consumers are confused by this entry. Those that do understand they should skip Windows RT now have to wait until January to see what a Surface Pro is like. And that means ... you guessed it … they’re simply going to wait. How could Microsoft launch Windows 8 and not launch Surface Pro? It makes no sense at all.

Intel. If you’ve decided to skip Windows RT—which I think is wise, for now—you now face a strange choice on the Intel side. You can go with traditional “Ivy Bridge” type systems, providing the familiar performance and compatibility you’ve come to expect from PCs. Or you can go with new Atom “Clover Trail” systems, which can and do resemble Windows RT devices in ways both good—they’re thin, light, and get great battery life—and bad—they’re also resource constrained, with 2 GB of RAM and tiny storage allotments. This further muddies the water for consumers, triggering yet another “wait” reaction.

The net effect of all this stuff, I think, contributes to a wait-and-see approach with Windows 8. And that is exactly the opposite of what Microsoft and even the broader industry should want at this time. In this way, the Windows 8 launch is much like that of Vista, where a nagging (and in that case, tech blogger-led) cabal of disappointed voices dominated the discussion at launch and torpedoed the product before it had a chance. Windows 8 is no Vista, in many ways. Until it is.

All of this was avoidable.

Discuss this Article 147

pthurrott
on Nov 16, 2012

Crud. I should have added a bit about developers, too. Nothing like new APIs and unclear market acceptance to trigger caution in that audience as well. My bad.

Alimaggs
on Nov 16, 2012

Yep. I’d say, as a Windows Phone developer, that the learning curve to Windows 8 is greater than expected - partly due to unavoidable complexities with the greater range of hardware, but also down to the number of inconsistencies between the platforms and the APIs (which has admittedly gotten a lot better, and something that was emphasised greatly at BUILD sessions as a key area that Microsoft are working on). Heck, if you want to create games, you’ve got to abandon what you know (XNA) completely (in favour of either HTML5/Javascript or C++).

Things are by no means bad – the coding and design environments are still superior to anything on any other platform, the documentation and community is exceptional, as is the outreach from Microsoft with Tech Days and the creation of data-driven apps is comparably straight forward allowing you to create apps consistent with Windows 8’s built in Metro Apps – but I guess it’s a lot for a developer to get their heads around for an unproven platform.

The way I see it though, if Windows 8 even sells a quarter of what Windows 7 did, we’re still talking about hundreds of millions of users and the enthusiasm from the 2,500 developers at BUILD should mean that the app ecosystem will improve rapidly.

It’s a real problem though. Read any review on Windows 8, or indeed any device or PC running Windows 8 or RT, and you’ll see that they all get marked down based on the app situation. Consumers looking at reviews for computers or tablets that they may want are actually being told that maybe they should wait.

Rallicat
on Nov 16, 2012

I think the 'tech blogosphere' bit is a heading in it's own right.

Whilst it's right to point out where Microsoft could have done better, it's clear there are plenty of blogs and news-sites climbing all over themselves to declare Windows DOA, and label it as the next Vista. Their reasoning seems to be based more on a pathological need to influence people's opinions more than it is based on a need to actually give us anything useful like-say- the facts (just take a look at 'The Register's' commentary on Windows 8 - it's largely peddling hysterical rhetoric).

More than anything else, the 'opinionating' that's been going on has helped create the impression that Windows 8 isn't a great release. Microsoft need to turn this around, and working on a free 'Release 2' / Feature Pack / Service Pack / whatever you want to call it that is at least /seen/ to boost the usefulness of Windows 8 is probably the only way Microsoft can push things forward.

In the meantime - I love my Surface RT tablet. I really can't understand why anyone other than a business user, or a power user using it as their /only/ computing device (and what self respecting power user would do such a thing) could possibly need desktop app compatibility when they could have the best battery life out there!

TheBasicMind
on Nov 16, 2012

I would ignore The Register if I were you. Their modus operandi of several of their writers is to peddle snarky or hysterical pieces, actively troll their own readership and try as much as possible to stir up trouble. I'm afraid they evidence a very low-market British trait for cynicism dressed up as humour (I'm British also but dislike this particular trait). Cynics like to feel better about themselves by excluding anyone or anything that does not share the same degree of cynicism so they can feel they are normal and everyone else is impossibly false and positive. But I guarantee you this, nothing original or innovative will ever come out of The Register.

Falling behind their competitors, about 7 months ago they tried video for a short while. But they soon discovered cynicism doesn't lend itself so well to televisual presentation. It was quite funny actually. The poor little creatures looked so lost and uncomfortable reporting stories to camera. They were clearly craving the crutches of sarcasm but sensed it wouldn't work so well presented so personally and associated with their own real identity. Instead they ended up in a kind of no-man's land without conviction or commitment to any cause. Needless to say the video experiment was a dismal failure and video has not been seen since. They probably didn't understand why it failed though and it seems to me since they have simply redouble their efforts to take the piss out of everything and anything.

Hanover
on Nov 17, 2012

I agree. I remember how I kept stumbling upon Chris Pirillo's articles on Google+. He spent so much energy trying to prove that his preconceived notions about Windows 8 and the Surface RT were correct. It was like he wouldn't stop until he somehow got the world to agree that his opinions were fact.

I also like my Surface RT and Windows 8. It just seems like there are a lot of people telling me why I shouldn't and wondering how on earth I could.

StephenPAdams
on Nov 20, 2012

Pirillo is hard to take seriously. He is the tech equivalent of a shock jock. Not much substance, just a lot of screaming. But understand his job is to get views and hype sponsors, which is why it's very difficult to take him seriously.

glonq
on Nov 16, 2012

Yup. I used to be a Silverlight developer, until Microsoft threw it (and me) under the bus. Now I'll re-invent myself as an HTML developer. Not the HTML+WinRT kind of developer. Just HTML5. For mac, for linux, for IE, for chrome, for firefox, for safari. I got no loyalties to Microsoft anymore.

MattS
on Nov 17, 2012

I think your title is overly optimistic. Win 8 isn't going to be the next Vista. It's going to be much worse than that. In my opinion trying to force an interface designed around small touchscreen devices on to the desk top environment is going to be an epic fail the likes of which Microsoft hasn't seen since it tried to launch MS BOB.

inreasonsimage
on Nov 18, 2012

I think you are ignoring the aesthetics of the Metro design language itself. The people I have talked to about it don't think Metro is attractive. A design language with minimalistic icons with monochromatic colors isn't appealing to a lot of consumers. It could explain the lackluster sales numbers for Windows 8 and Windows Phone. The design language Google used for Jelly Bean (particularly the Nexus home-screen and Google Now) is what Microsoft should have used for Windows Phone. Heck, why didn't Microsoft use the design language they used for Windows 7? They could have just refined it. Microsoft needs to abandon Metro as soon as possible. It is not Microsoft's future, not if they want to prosper. And why does Microsoft still assume most customers want a tablet that can function both as a tablet and a full-fledged computer. I think that the sales of the iPad and the sales of Android tablets have demonstrated that most consumers don't want that. They want simplicity. Microsoft should have just released a phone OS as a tablet OS. However, I can see this dual-functionality appealing to the Enterprise market.

zombiefly
on Nov 19, 2012

Why is it Microsoft consistently do something different to what is generally obvious? They appear to be great at 1 thing, getting things completely wrong.

I had hoped to have a hybrid laptop device by now. In every high street retailer, they are pushing windows 8 into your face. On machines with no touch screen. It's like selling a car with wings and no ability to fly.

salesman: "this is windows 8! microsoft's new tablet OS, see look, it looks like the touchscreen interface of the phone"
customer:" cool, i have the phone, so i like that "
salesman: "no, you cant do that"
customer:"what?"
end

scottswann
on Nov 16, 2012

I am not surprised. I think one of the big issues still is there aren't many new designs in the stores yet. I went down to my local best buy and only saw one of the new designs there. All of the other 30 or so computers were old models running windows 8. Lenovo, Acer, Dell and Toshiba didn't have anything there yet. I did see the Samsung Series 5 in my AT&T store though. Just not much for users to look at yet. Hopefully this will be fixed as we get closer to December.

gwydionjhr
on Nov 16, 2012

I'd have to agree with this. I was into my local Best Buy and Future Shop on launch day and the selection of proper Win8 devices could only be described as meager (at best). My local Source still doesn't have a single Win8 touch screen device.

I'm in the market for a new laptop, and of the ones I'm interested in, none appear to be launching before the new year.

WaddlzInMn
on Nov 16, 2012

Wow. That's a lot of doom and gloom for MS. I was really hoping for success with W8. I'm tired of the interesting stuff being produced by Apple and Android.

I was in the MS store at MOA last weekend to get hands on with W8. They had a ton of Surface RT demo's, some ASUS and Samsung tablets, ultrabooks, laptops and HP all-in-ones. But they didn't have THE devices I was really excited to demo. The Samsung ATIV full W8, the Lenovo ThinkPad 2. These devices are not available. A few people have gotten their hands on the ATIV (from Staples apparently). While I was able to play around and get a feel for W8, I will wait for the proper device to meet my needs at a price point I can afford.

So for me, it's the lack of hardware available in a form factor I crave. I personally think the Surface Pro is the device I want, but I seriously doubt it will come in at a price point I can justify.

On a not as related note: I watched a commercial last night for the MacBook Pro. All I could think was how "old" and uninteresting it seemed. The only selling point was "retina display" and that card has been played too many times. What else you got Apple?

abw1987
on Nov 16, 2012

It doesn't surprise me. While we Windows followers might consider Windows 8 to be a pretty radical change, I don't think most consumers even realize it's anything more than "the next version of Windows." Windows does not excite people any more. They will line up for a new iPad, but not for a Surface.

Since Windows 8 comes with new consumer PCs, I'd expected Windows 8 to sell as basically the same rate as Windows 7 has been selling on consumer PCs. Of course, enterprise sales will be much slower as they are sticking with 7 for now.

toddvano
on Nov 16, 2012

For me the allure of a Windows 8 device is as a secondary PC that also replaces my iPad that I carry around to meetings. The Clover Trail slates or convertibles promise to do that but they are pretty much nonexistent nearly a month after Win8 launch. If you go to a MS store they have a dozen Surfaces RTs to play with and one other type of RT device but none of the Clover Trail devices. I'm interested in either the HP Envy X2 or the Thinkpad Tablet 2 but both of these have gone from October 26th releases to now sometime out in December or January. The Thinkpad in particular has gone from 10/26 to 11/16 and now back to "coming soon" on their webpage. Makes me wonder if there is something wrong with the Clover Trail devices in general.

jdtj63
on Nov 16, 2012

From what I understand "Clover Trail" is not ready for prime time. there are software issues Intel has not worked out. The OEMs are hurting Microsoft. I also have been waiting for the new hardware and tablets but no one has them for sale.

GreenScrew
on Nov 19, 2012

Agree completely with this comment, although replace HP Envy X2 with HP ElitePad 900.... terrible launch timing when hardware isn't readily available!! I'm trying to create a corporate strategy around hardware that I can't even get my hands on!?!

UB400
on Nov 16, 2012

I live in Europe, have yet to see any of the new devices. Nothing expected for at least another week. No Surface availability in the country I live in, with no expectation of MS ever selling it here, let's not even talk about the Surface Pro.
I know of many, who are very eager to get their hands on one of the new devices, but no devices to look at, all the momentum and interest from the launch has been wasted.

rjohn05
on Nov 16, 2012

I wonder what kind of sales numbers they were expecting? Were they really expecting people to line up for Windows 8 upgrades? I personally think the bigger mistake here is that Microsoft trusted their hardware partners way too much.

It's time for them to accelerate their plans to make more hardware. The current PC OEMs are complete fail.

LemonSaucy
on Nov 16, 2012

Oh, come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist or computer programmer to figure out that Windows 8 with it's "Metroseexual" was going to flop.

Difficult to use.

Interrupts work flow.

Setting spread all over the place between Metro and Control Panel.

Stripped out option to turn on Start Menu and Start Button and related functionality.

Poor follow through e.g. Home Group will show up in Windows Explorer even if I haven't set it up and even if I don't want it, with no apparent way to turn it off.

Instead of good service and sensible tweaks and improvements, a marketing scheme shoved down people's throats.

Clobbering the Desktop and shoddy treatment of title bars etc.

Colours bleached out.

Games stripped out.

Stupid names: Windows 7 File Recovery !!??

Insults to programmers, calling their work "legacy".

And the list I'm sure goes on and on..

There are some things that are improvements, I have to say. It's not all bad! These improvements might be continued into Windows 8.5 or 9.

For instance:

Ribbons in Windows Explorer - very well done.

Simplified names, i.e. no "Home" moniker: just "Windows 8".

Widespread promotion of the fuller Professional edition, for business, technical, organizational, and professional people and the like, good idea.

Quicker booting - a nice improvement, but not so important with the arrival of SSDs for boot/system drives.

Relatively speedy operation.

A "Personal" license for those who build their own systems and good pricing all 'round. Excellent!

Full Hyper-V (although Windows 7 Professional handled virtualization rather ingeniously).

Color Automatic setting in Personalisation - nice at times.

And many more, I'm sure.

glonq
on Nov 16, 2012

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

To me, Win8 is like a chocolate cake with a big dog turd in the middle. I *really* want to enjoy the cake, because I know it's good. But it's impossible to avoid the poo...

inreasonsimage
on Nov 18, 2012

Amen, about the games point. I've been playing around with Windows 8, and I couldn't believe that Microsoft removed the traditional Windows games from the desktop. I've spent many a night split screen with Netflix or the internet on one side and Solitaire or Chess on the other side. Big mistake! I also don't like how Microsoft changed the title bars on windows. My wife was curious about Windows 8. But, after I showed her the Start Screen and some of its other features she told me she didn't want me to install it on our machines. And I couldn't think of a compelling reason to disagree with her. Don't get me wrong Windows 8 has some great improvements such as the explorer ribbon, better security, and faster operations. But, those improvements don't make up for its failings. Hey, Microsoft bring back the Start Menu as an option.

skdouglas
on Nov 16, 2012

I agree with most of what you wrote. I, personnaly am waiting to get my wife a new laptop/hybrid. I have only seen two touchscreen laptops, none of the cool hybrids. Admittedly, I live in a pretty rural area of Canada, but even online alot of the hybrids haven't even hit the online stores. Ie. Hp Envy X2, Acer Iconia W510. I would like to have a little hands on time with some of these devices before I buy, so will be lucky to make a purchase before Christmas.

mghartman
on Nov 16, 2012

My beefs with Windows 8 are solely from Surface RT usage, but I don't believe things change when you get on different (similar) hardware.. The software is obviously preview quality.. Touches don't register and when they do, the interface doesn't indicate it has and simply loads stuff in the background.. These are core usability issues that should [hopefully] be addressed.. I'm confident the apps will be built and I'll sit patiently until they do, but I can't help wallow in the misery that my RT will be likely highly underpowered by the time the OS and software catches up..

letsplaynicely
on Nov 16, 2012

The point regarding Surface Pro is spot on. I certainly won't commit to a Surface RT without knowing what the Surface Pro has to offer, and of course how much it costs. UK price for Surface with a touch cover is >$750 - that's a lot of cash. So I'm waiting it out as you say. Throw in a lack of Clover Trail tablet availability and there are simply too many unknowns.

Waethorn
on Nov 16, 2012

Overall, my own business has increased quite a bit because consumers are looking at getting at the cheap software upgrades. The promise (and delivery) of quicker start-up and application loading times, coupled with simpler applications that let people that are not confident in their computer usage to "get to USE the damn thing!" have proven to be positively accepted by my customers. Business users are similarly looking at simplifying their workforce experience. I've talked to a few companies that don't want ump-teen XYZ Conduit/Community Toolbars installed in IE that hijack their home page and search settings, or Adobe pushing shovelware. Java is still a problem, what with shovelware being nearly as bad as some of the security exploits. Customers are nervous about doing updates for Java because of the crap that Oracle is pushing out with them, so they get an unpatched system that gets compromised by an exploit from a malware Facebook ad or some poisoned Google search results.

I honestly talked to someone that returned his Surface RT because a stock-trading website (which I must note, is not his profession) uses Silverlight. Seriously? Do some research before you buy. I knew the limitations with it before I bought one and I'm fine with them - they aren't limiting to me for what I need a portable machine to do at present.

binglut9
on Nov 16, 2012

I don't think you can blame a consumer at this point. Microsoft has led prior to believe that windows 8 and windows rt are the same. They have made no attempt to explain to consumers the differences. The only way we know is because we keep up with tech and Mr. Thurrott writes articles to keep us informed. Saying that it still took me a little while to understand the 20 different versions of windows 8 which is a huge problem honestly.

Waethorn
on Nov 16, 2012

The guy I'm talking about is no average consumer: he works in IT and web development. He said he couldn't use an iPad for the same purpose, but he didn't do any research on the Surface before buying it.

binglut9
on Nov 16, 2012

I understand that but Microsoft still isn't making it any easier to understand all the windows versions. I can't even imagine trying to explain all the windows 8 versions to normal customers. I think Microsoft would of been better using a different name completely for the windows rt versions. Actually I think they should of never even came out with rt as it serves no purpose other than make it confusing. Was it just to have a tablet at around a tablet price? Because that is the only thing I can think of that would make sense in making the rt version is just to hit a price point where windows pro can't hit. The whole thing is just insane.

DaveLessnau
on Nov 16, 2012

Floor Wax vs Dessert Topping: that's definitely going to (has) hurt sales. I understand why they're pushing the Metro side, but there absolutely, must be a mechanism to hide it on a standard desktop. Once I started using Stardock's Start8 utility to add back the Start button and default me to my Desktop, my happiness with Windows 8 skyrocketed. Without that, it was a constant nagging irritation to use the OS. Now, it's wonderful.

Microsoft's cutting off its nose to spite its face with this Metro-on-real-computers stuff.

LemonSaucy
on Nov 16, 2012

I like Start8 too. By the time, Windows 8 is all fixed up, it's almost as good as Windows 7, LOL. There are a few nagging problems with it nevertheless.

peacock93
on Nov 17, 2012

I totally agree with you on Start8 by Stardock!! I was using it on all of the Win8 preview versions and bought it outright once I installed Win8 on my laptop and desktop. I left my upgraded tablet without Start8 since it is much nicer using Win8 on a touch device. I really believe that microsoft should add the ability to have your PC start up at the desktop if that is what you want!!

Supernovae
on Nov 16, 2012

Doesn't your article ignore the fact that there is still no supply chain for X86 Windows Systems?

I tweeted this to you, but you can't go to frys, staples, office max, best buy or shop online at CDW, Amazon or Newegg and get any of the new X86 hardware - its ALL back ordered, sold out or not even shipped yet because almost everyone is waiting on Intel - it's probably one of the pressing reasons Surface went ARM first as well.

There are no touch screens being sold anywhere yet.. the limited supply of touch enabled laptops are all at the few and far between MS stores which are PACKED.

The Fry's here in Austin has 4-5 rows of emptry shelves all waiting for the new kioks/end caps to be filled but no hardware to fill it with.

If anything, the market has been caught with its pants down and honestly for no good reason. We have Lenovo shipping some interesting form factors but totally delaying their traditional tablets and touch screen devices - and for what reason? it makes no sense!

SteveCr48
on Nov 17, 2012

@supernovae excellent insight! You may be on to something. No wonder back in September Otellini slammed Win8 for shipping before it was ready. In retrospect, what's not ready is Intel! What a shame that you can't buy a Lenovo Thinkpad 2. How Intel has escaped the finger-pointing is a mystery.

henador
on Nov 16, 2012

Windows *always* promised backwards compatibility and bent over backwards (pun intended) to give it to users. MSFT changes the most visible part of Windows, the Shell, and doesn't leave in full backwards compatibility (a usable Start menu on the Desktop, boot to the Desktop, etc.). Of course people are going to be hesitant to switch. It pissed off the tech bloggers and generated a negative buzz. Colossal mistake #1.

WinRT devices create confusion in users, complicates app development, splits the entire Windows ecosystem. Colossal mistake #2.

All this wouldn't be a big problem in, say, 2002 because there were no real alternatives. Now there are and people are blowing the funds they have available on expensive, fruity phones and tablets. A vicious cycle could start. If Windows tanks, MSFT tanks. I don't like it but that's definitely a possibility.

The fix is simple: allow "boot to Desktop" and keep Metro as another shell.

studio4llc
on Nov 16, 2012

One: It's the economy stupid... businesses are just trying to survive in today’s economy and have neither the need nor funds to replace functioning equipment en masse. Importantly, Windows 8 is not an upgrade to the familiar Windows most of us have lived with since the first release. Look how long, not to mention the railing against, it took for MS Office users to accept and become comfortable with the "ribbon" function.
Two: MS does not have a fan base similar to Apple’s – Apple fanboyz will mortgage their homes and cars to buy the latest and greatest, and then stand in line for days prior to release. However, a new MS store opened in a shopping mall nearby (Cincinnati) last Wednesday. It took me until Saturday (tried Wednesday, Thursday and Friday) to get into the store without having to wait in line for what appeared to be at least an hour. The majority of the crowds seemed to be early teens to mid-twenties. This should be an encouraging sign for the consumer market. Which makes it disingenuous for you suggest MS should have waited for Windows Pro to launch the Surface RT tablet. They appeal to entirely different markets.
Three: Blame the media. Similar to the political arena post-Obama, the media fawns over anything and everything Apple, while it is difficult to read any media/tech review of Windows 8/Surface RT that doesn’t have those oh so subtle digs and caveats included - it’s great, but…
And finally, a (little) bit of snark. Although not the mainstream consumer, how many of us who frequent websites such as this put way too much value in your (and others) analysis? Case in point: the Lumia Windows phone. I was ready to purchase the 900, based on your review, just waiting for my carrier to offer the device. Wow, would I have been down-in-the –dumps had I made the purchase when I read your review of the HTC 8x! Not only did you fawn over this phone as the greatest thing since peanut butter, which it may well be, but you totally trashed the Lumia. So for now, I will wait still longer for further reviews and comparisons. I fully understand that next week will bring the next “latest and greatest”, but imo you left little doubt no educated person should ever pick up the Lumia unit.

pthurrott
on Nov 16, 2012

I didn't trash the 920, nor do I dislike it. I just like the HTC 8X better. Phones, like any purchase, are a personal decision. The 920 is a great phone.

studio4llc
on Nov 16, 2012

Again, if I had purchased the 900 or 920, I would have felt it was a mistake:

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pthurrott
on Nov 16, 2012

This has nothing to do with Windows 8 sales. I know what I wrote about the Lumia 920.

cgroves
on Nov 16, 2012

I enjoy Windows 8, but I never use the metro side of it. I am in the desktop all day and MS is doing a horrible job of explaining that to people - you don't need to use metro if you don't have a reason to.

I am still hoping that Windows Phone 9 becomes the tablet OS and Windows 9 simply sticks with the desktop. Of course, that will most likely not happen, but you never know. We just need Nokia to make a 'Note' or 'Tablet' sized phone and people would dig it.

Keep up the great work Paul! Doom and gloom and all! The new site looks great.

Alimaggs
on Nov 16, 2012

As a side note, go into PC World in the UK - our largest (and, arguably now, only) PC retailer - not a single touchscreen device on display (aside from a Windows 7 HP Touchsmart) and not a single tablet. The web site is no better. I wouldn't buy Windows 8 based on their "showcase" of the OS and hardware. The sooner Microsoft expands their retail presence (and hardware) internationally, the better off they'll be.

In the same way they couldn't trust their partners to build good hardware before, they now have another obstacle, at least here in the UK - their retail partners.

Supernovae
on Nov 16, 2012

In the US no stores have any devices either.. they may have one or two ultrabooks with touch, but still trying to sell out old inventory or just empty shelves awaiting delivery of new hardware. I've said it before, either this stuff is selling before it can hit the shelves or hardware companies were caught with their pants down.. YET AGAIN.. I mean, you can't even find windows 8 hardware on Newegg or Amazon or any of the big tech sites or stores here.. sold out, back ordered or not shipping yet.

superface
on Nov 16, 2012

I was about to say the same thing. Where are all the new devices?
I was expecting a load of new made for windows 8 computers to be in the shops by now but there just isn't any and I've been looking all over the place!

TimG
on Nov 16, 2012

Speaking for myself, I have tried very hard to like Windows 8, and I really wanted to, but I just don't. I've installed it as the main operating system on my desktop testing computer and have tried to do half my work on it and the other half on my real work machine, which is a Lenovo X220 in a docking station attached to the same two 24" monitors.

There are no two ways about it: Returning to Windows 7 on the Lenovo is always a relief and a breath of fresh air. There is nothing on Windows 8 that is any kind of subjective benefit. Nothing at all. If Windows 8 does anything, it makes me realize just what a wonderful OS Windows 7 is, and how much I really love it. Frankly, it also looks more modern and fresher than Windows 8. I initially thought that W8 was new and fresh, but it gets old very fast. And I have never ever experienced before that the latest version of Windows feels older and more dated than the previous one, but that is exactly my experience with Windows 8 and Windows 7.

My girlfriend is a "normal user" and she does our accounts. Up to now she has been using XP and I wanted to finally get her a new machine. I let her try Windows 8 for a few days and she told me in no uncertain terms that if I ever put that on her desk I would have to find someone else to do the accounts. So instead I got her a new 15" ThinkPad with Windows 7 Pro and she loved it from the first moment, and hasn't had a single problem finding her way around.

rx78
on Nov 16, 2012

You could just put a tile on start screen pointing to accounting app and tell that this is Win7 with new theme. Would never know a difference, except better speed and less crashes.

MattS
on Nov 17, 2012

I have been running a desk top with Win 7 Pro 64 bit for several years. I leave the system on near 24/7. Fewer crashes would be quite difficult since my system has crashed maybe once or twice in the entire time I have had it.

rx78
on Nov 19, 2012

Good for you. Usually it apps that screw OS, not the other way around. If your apps keep behave, win8 will run just as good.

Ron H
on Nov 16, 2012

Since the main upgrade to Windows 8 will be by consumers purchasing a new PC, I can point my finger at retailers and PC manufacturers.

I have looked ant Best Buy and Future Shop (I am in the Toronto area..) and they have very few Win 8 devices on display. In one Best Buy they had 2 RT tablets, both of which were locked. I had one unlocked and discovered that thy had not even bothered to updade any of the Microsoft Apps, or even loaded the release version of Office. They had a HP rep on hand to demo the all-in-ones. She did not know a single keyboard shortcut!! She had never heard of ctrl-alt-delete. She did not know how to snap an app in "metro." I asked hr what she used at home... Mac and iPhone. Rediculous...

I will be checking out the new Microsoft Store in Toronto on Monday. I have played with a Surface at the downtown pop up store. It was impressive, but I want Windows 8, not RT.

rth314
on Nov 16, 2012

What are the sales numbers and what were the projections? Are such short-term sales numbers usually representative of Windows sales over the life of the product?

bdegrande
on Nov 16, 2012

I think that the biggest problem has been Microsoft's pretending that this is all one operating system. While I personally would have liked to have seen Windows Phone as the tablet OS (and said so at the time), I like RT (and the Metro interface) well enough that I would buy a 7" RT tablet as a media player - if one existed. However, calling RT Windows when it doesn't run the same software makes no sense (Windows CE, anyone?). Android and Linux, and iOS and OS X, share a lot of underlying code, but don't get called by the same name.

I think that the real problem is going to come with the Surface Pro tablets, when you get to choose between large clunkers with fans (the "fanless operation" brag at RT's introduction scared me to death), or being limited to 2GB of RAM (how well is Win 8 going to run in that?).

If Ballmer survives this "no compromise" introduction, something is really wrong in Redmond.

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