Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections, Plenty of Blame to Go Around

Uncertainty could turn Windows 8 into the next Vista

Update: Based on the feedback, some have misunderstood this post: Microsoft has not met its internal projections for Windows 8 sales. Given this, as it’s happened, I provided some possible explanations for what went wrong (in addition to Microsoft’s finger pointing at PC makers). Those are simply my best guesses, not "facts," and certainly debatable. But you can expect Microsoft to eventually release sales numbers for Windows 8, numbers that it will use to prove (or at least contort) that everything’s just fine. That doesn’t change the central premise here, which is the reason I published this post: Internally, Microsoft is blaming PC makers for Windows 8’s slower-than-it-expected start. But I think it’s more nuanced than that. Even Vista sold hundreds of millions of copies a year. Windows 8 will certainly do better than that. --Paul

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Sales of Windows 8 PCs are well below Microsoft’s internal projections and have been described inside the company as disappointing. But here’s the catch: The software giant blames the slow start on lackluster PC maker designs and availability, further justifying its new Surface strategy. But Windows 8’s market acceptance can be blamed on many factors.

One of my most trusted sources at Microsoft confirmed Windows 8’s weak start this week. And with all of the drama surrounding Windows 8 and the recent, unexpected departure of Windows chief Steven Sinofsky, rumors are sure to swirl. But looked at logically, some trends emerge.

Microsoft blames the PC makers. My source cited to me the PC makers’ “inability to deliver,” a damning indictment that I think nicely explains why the firm felt it needed to start making its own PC and device hardware. In a related conversation with Microsoft the week after BUILD, I floated the notion that the company’s retail store expansion could one day lead to it becoming the number one in-store experience for PC makers’ wares, a not-so-subtle change in their relationships. This idea had clearly been considered as a possible future, leading me to believe that Microsoft has indeed soured on its traditional partner relationships and is looking to shake things up.

Lingering questions about Sinofsky. While Steven Sinofsky was removed from Microsoft because of his divisiveness and his ostracizing of far too many valuable executives and employees, many will continue to wonder if some failing in Windows 8 (and Windows RT) is what in fact led to his ouster. The timing on his departure couldn’t be worse, and while the promotion of his closest lieutenant, Julie Larson-Green, was clearly designed to promote the notion of orderly transition, the fact that she wasn’t made president of the Windows division hints at more changes to come. One of Microsoft’s many problems under the Sinofsky regime was that it wasn’t at all transparent: Its current lack of transparency about the succession plan for Windows is just as problematic because it makes those outside the company distrust anything they say. This lack of trust will cause consumers to look elsewhere.

It’s the economy, stupid. Microsoft launched Windows 8 at a time of great economic uncertainty and midstream in business deployment of the product’s predecessor, Windows 7. It doesn’t take a tech analyst expert to know that businesses are simply not going to deploy Windows 8 in great numbers. And while that’s obvious, it also means that only consumer acceptance of Windows 8 can possible help this release match the success of its predecessors. But consumers have plenty of choice these days, and many are quite comfortable stretching out the next PC purchase and using a companion device, like an iPad or other tablet. The problem is, they may discover that’s all the computer they need and simply opt out of Windows going forward.

Confusing range of device types. Faced with a reimagined, touch-focused Windows that is more at home on mobile devices than traditional PCs, and responding to increasingly hysterical pleas from Microsoft to innovate more, PC makers attempted to do in hardware what Microsoft did in Windows 8’s software: Create hybrid devices that could serve all needs. Unfortunately, the result is a mess of different hybrid designs, rather than a concerted, industry-wide effort to consolidate around a few basic designs. The result is obvious: Confusion, both on the PC maker side—where different companies are pushing a variety of different design types—and with consumers, who simply don’t know which, if any, device types to make. I love Lenovo, but consider this one PC maker’s designs: The firm is selling traditional laptops and Ultrabooks, touch-based laptops and Ultrabooks, “multimode” convertible laptop/tablets (the Yoga line), a traditional convertible Ultrabook (ThinkPad Twist), slate-type tablets (ThinkPad Tablet 2), slate-type tablets with keyboard docks (IdeaPad Lynx), and then a related but separate line of Android tablets. And that’s just the portable computers.

Windows 8. It’s a floor wax. No, it’s a dessert topping. Microsoft’s new whatever-the-F-it-is operating system is a confusing, Frankenstein’s monster mix of old and new that hides a great desktop upgrade under a crazy Metro front-end. It’s touch-first, as Microsoft says, but really it’s touch whether you want it or not (or have it or not), and the firm’s inability to give its own customers the choice to pick which UI they want is what really makes Windows 8 confounding to users. I actually like Windows 8 quite a bit and can’t imagine switching back. But I do understand the complaints of customers who aren’t getting what they wanted or asked for.

Windows RT. Imagine Apple announcing a major new version of iOS and then releasing a new tablet that runs Mac OS X instead of that new iOS version. Doesn’t make a lick of sense, does it? Well, that’s what Microsoft did: On the day that Microsoft launched Windows 8, it also launched Surface … running Windows RT. And while Windows RT is obvious a version of Windows 8, it’s a largely incompatible version of Windows 8, and one that runs in the resource constrained ARM environment. That means no existing desktop software will run on these devices, not to mention lots of hardware. Confusing? You bet. And I actually get this stuff. What’s a typical consumer to think?

Surface. And speaking of Surface, it bears repeating that Microsoft is now competing directly with its partners. But even educated consumers are confused by this entry. Those that do understand they should skip Windows RT now have to wait until January to see what a Surface Pro is like. And that means ... you guessed it … they’re simply going to wait. How could Microsoft launch Windows 8 and not launch Surface Pro? It makes no sense at all.

Intel. If you’ve decided to skip Windows RT—which I think is wise, for now—you now face a strange choice on the Intel side. You can go with traditional “Ivy Bridge” type systems, providing the familiar performance and compatibility you’ve come to expect from PCs. Or you can go with new Atom “Clover Trail” systems, which can and do resemble Windows RT devices in ways both good—they’re thin, light, and get great battery life—and bad—they’re also resource constrained, with 2 GB of RAM and tiny storage allotments. This further muddies the water for consumers, triggering yet another “wait” reaction.

The net effect of all this stuff, I think, contributes to a wait-and-see approach with Windows 8. And that is exactly the opposite of what Microsoft and even the broader industry should want at this time. In this way, the Windows 8 launch is much like that of Vista, where a nagging (and in that case, tech blogger-led) cabal of disappointed voices dominated the discussion at launch and torpedoed the product before it had a chance. Windows 8 is no Vista, in many ways. Until it is.

All of this was avoidable.

Discuss this Article 147

Josh602
on Nov 16, 2012

I already run Windows 8 on my laptop, but I'd rather have a new Windows 8 PC. was originally going to wait it out, too, but I decided to jump the gun and get the Dell XPS 12, because I'd probably wait for over a year otherwise.

aras
on Nov 16, 2012

I think Microsoft messed up with Windows 8. Don’t get me wrong – I upgraded my personal PCs to Windows 8 and I get it (although I hate the route Microsoft is going). I explained to my wife how everything works and although she is don’t see point in all these changes she gets along.

Problem is that all those people who are not tech geeks and don’t have one at home are really confused. I heard from first couple of people who bought cheap (as majority of people do) Widows 8 laptops and boy the hate them! They can’t find Start menu which for them means there are no apps in desktop mode. They go to App Store where they still can’t find their favourite programs, or if they find and install they don’t work way they expect (i.e. Skype). They go to Internet (using Metro IE version) and it doesn’t play videos on their favourite websites (flash). They open a file from desktop and it opens in full screen Metro app with no obvious way to close it…

Obviously there are easy ways around all these issues, but normal people don’t want (nor they should) to learn these things. One of them asked why her iPad is so easy and why Windows is getting more and more “difficult and confusing”. And when I told that there now are Windows tablets which looks just like her new Windows machine she just laughed and said “never in my life” or something along these lines…

blakjedi
on Nov 16, 2012

not a dig at you but... if someone says "i cant find the start menu" when they boot directly into the start menu... and its staring them in the face.... theres something wrong there and its not the OS.

second for all the windows "i would never use that comments" how do they justify iOS or even worse Android? those OS' are WORSE at every level than windows live tiles UI... with less accessibility, worse browsers, worse connectivity.... connect a usb HDD with movies or files to the iPad... hmmm.. connect it to an Android.... ehhh kinda... and YOU STILL HAVE "DESKTOP" in win8/RT so whats the real complaint...?

aras
on Nov 16, 2012

I was talking about "legacy" start menu. You know the place where people used to find all installed programs for past 15 years or so.
Look, I am IT professional and I would choose Windows 8 over iOS or Android every day (that's until Windows removes desktop and becomes a walled garden, but that's another story).

That's not the point, however, I am not talking about me or you. I'm talking about rest 95% of population, people who don't know and don't want/need to know technicalities, and who will ultimately decide whether Windows 8 is a success or failure. And from what I've seen so far, they hate Windows 8. Not because it's a bad OS but because it's confusing and doesn't work the way they expect it to work.

Simple example: recently a person asked me weather I could installed Windows 7 on her new Windows 8 laptop. When I asked why, she explained that she wanted "proper" Skype version. Apparently somebody told her that all apps on Windows 8 come from app store. So she installed Metro Skype version and used it for a week or so swearing every day why she bought this computer...

This is not an isolated case. Windows 8 is really confusing to non tech people.

clue88
on Nov 16, 2012

Touch is the future, legacy has go to go. If you still want it, stay with Windows 7. Nothing wrong with that. The rest of us will take the leap and see you in a few years.

MattS
on Nov 17, 2012

I am also an IT professional. In my oppinion using an interface designed for small touchscreens in a desktop environment is not mearly stupid it is epicly stupid. No one not even corporate IT departements that have been loyal MS customers will accept this.

Either Microsoft provides windows 8 with an interface specifically designed for a desktop environment with a non-touch screen keyboard and mouse or Win 8 on the desktop will be somewhere in the neighborhood of half as successful as MS BOB.

ack123
on Dec 6, 2012

Thank you. I am a nrmal user and purchased a new computer from Toshiba for my wife in Peru. I now have a histerical photograher trying to access her photo through an Adobe Bridge APP see can't find. Thank you for pointing out the obvious! Sincerely.

Hank
on Nov 16, 2012

There's no probleem. Some People even start claiming Surface had no lines. Doom telling. Back to enjoying my Surface.

mp
on Nov 16, 2012

"How could Microsoft launch Windows 8 and not launch Surface Pro?"

Surely, they're waiting for Haswell for battery life and/or overheating reasons.

henador
on Nov 16, 2012

No, I use a Samsung Slate 7, which has a Sandy Bridge CPU, and it works fine, fan and all. I dock it to an external keyboard, mouse, and large monitor to do development work then undock and use as a tablet for those (relatively) rare occasions.

One huge problem is that I believe MSFT is marketing these tablets poorly. When I explain to people that you can purchase one device and use it as a tablet when necessary then dock it to a external keyboard, mouse, and monitor to use as a laptop, they love the idea. It's actually cheaper than have two separate devices and there's no syncing, etc. Of course, WinRT/ARM screws that up because you don't have the x86 Desktop.

Dan
on Nov 17, 2012

And that Samsung slate gets 3 hours of battery life, has a loud fan that is always one, and lacks connected standby.

Not a great experience at all.

Sothryn
on Nov 16, 2012

One thing I learned, as a developer, many years ago is that it doesn't matter how much I like how a product looks nearly as much as how the end users perceive it. Having worked with Windows 8 products for about a year, I've gotten used to it and understand how it works, why it exists, and where it could be going.

However, as the release date for Windows 8 approached and I thought about putting this on my wife's laptop, I reconsidered her use case, downloaded the SourceForge Classic Shell, tested it out on my own machine first, tweaked the settings, before I even considered installing it on her computer. I still have the Classic Shell on my computer, but only use it maybe 25% of the time, using the Modern UI (Metro) screen the other 75% of the time.

But, without the Classic Shell, I don't know that I would have been brave enough to upgrade my wife's machine. There is no way I would want to force her to learn a new system all at once. She looks at the Metro version from time to time, but has no real interest in apps. We have Windows Phones (version 7.5 so far) for that.

We have 2 older desktops that I see no reason to upgrade. 1. They're getting old. 2. We won't be using them nearly as much as our laptops.

As for the development environment, I think it's rather sad that the Phone SDK wasn't released until about the same time as Windows 8. Since I never developed for Windows Phone 7, I won't have to relearn. I'm currently elbow deep in C++ programming anyway, so the new stuff will have to be done in my spare time... maybe after the New Year.

markuslaff
on Nov 16, 2012

I'm taking a wait and see before calling it a failure.

My never-impressed-with-tech wife just saw a Lenovo Yoga commercial and immediately said "Whoa... what is that? How much does it cost? Hmm... I like it." That's very anecdotal but in a boring PC world where purchases were based on 'need' not 'want', it may take more time for the marketing message to grab hold before we know if Windows 8 was a success.

Tim Laubacher
on Nov 16, 2012

Where are all of these confused consumers you speak of? So far I've converted few dozen people and not one is confused.

Sibron
on Nov 17, 2012

I took my Surface to a birthday party last weekend (I had it for 4 days ok, don't give me a hard time) .
Every person that looked at it(about 10-12 people) asked where they could get one, those that had iPads said it was more useful, better looking and just as easy to use, once I gave the basic "swipe in from the sides" tutorial.

I went into Harvey Norman on the release day and found 1 touch screen on display. I ordered my Surface Online that night.
I see the problem as being a lack of supply. I went back to the same store to get a carry bag and a salesman complained that they cant even get a delivery date for their Surface order.
3 Customers saw mine and asked where they could get 1, one got on his phone to order a Surface right there.
Love my Surface, its everything I needed.

stumpy1570
on Nov 16, 2012

Windows RT is the future. Just not ready for prime time. Clovertrail is the answer..just as thin..etc. This coupled with ivy bridge would have buy us time for developers to get caught up. I'm a longtime apple fan boy who just loves where we are going. I'm making the switch but these company's need to get good product out there, and now!! Lenovo..where is the LYNX!!!

ozaz
on Nov 16, 2012

When I replace a Mac, the experience is brilliant. I can go into their retail store, play around on a machine for as long as I like without getting pestered and I have complete faith that the machine will be good and the after-sales service excellent. I know that transferring apps and data to the new machine will be easy and automated due to time machine. Fanboism certainly contributes to exceptional early demand when new Apple products are released but so does the low risk and simplicity of replacing hardware.

By contrast, upgrading to a new Windows machine is very, very painful. The retail experience is dreadful. We don't have Microsoft stores in the UK, and in all retail stores I've tried, I get pestered by sales people and often the display PCs have a screen saver password on them so you can't try them out without getting a store assistant to unlock it. When I have a slightly technical question (like whether or not a machine has TPM), most of the time the store assistants don't know what I am talking about. Microsoft, or some third party retailer should have recognised the benefit Apple derives from their store experience a long, long time ago and acted to emmulate them a lot sooner than they have.

Online shopping for a Windows PC is not much better. Search filters on manufacturers and retailers websites are poor or non-existent (e.g. if I go to ASUS's website, there is no efficient way for me to identify the notebooks that are, for example, 13", have a backlit keyboard, have TPM onboard) Instead, I would have to manually look through dozens of machines. Err, no thanks.

Unlike Macs, Windows machines, even the top end ones, are also very hit and miss in terms of the quality of the hardware I end up with and the after-sales service I receive (I have bought Dell, HP, Sony, Samsung, and Lenovo). I've had a few good machines, but I've also had poor experiences with all of them except Lenovo. The problem with Lenovo is that non of their high end machines are really sold in retail stores (so I can't try them in person). After motivating myself to spend ages choosing a new Windows machine, the fun of uninstalling crapware and reinstalling all my desktop applications begins. Hence I am more inclined to cling on to Windows machines for much longer than Apple products in order to minimise the frequency with which I have to go through the Windows PC upgrade trauma.

Regarding Windows 8 itself. I've installed it on an old machine and I like it. But I do wish Metro apps were not so minimalist and that desktop apps were part of Windows store so that when it comes to the next upgrade, re-installing desktop apps would be more automated.

bdegrande
on Nov 17, 2012

One of the biggest improvements in Windows 8 is the upgrade experience from one machine to another. If you have bought your apps from the store, you simply re-dpwnload them, similar to the way the Mac, iOS, or Android app stores. No problems with apps having to be licensed on multiple computers or having to key in 50 digit serial numbers. There are certainly not enough good apps in the store yet, but, in the long run, this is a huge step in the right direction.

Maelstrom
on Nov 16, 2012

I live in the South of France and yesterday I went out checking for stuff after my last appointment in downtown Toulouse as I'm not the kind of person to buy something like a tablet without trying it first. First, I visited the local temporary Microsoft Experience Center as I need to test some more the typing experience I could get out of the Surface's touch cover vs. type cover while I could since I don't know for sure I'll be able to do so in January when the Surface Pro will be released. Anyway, that little "center" was set in a little corner of the huge Galleries Lafayette (an important French-based department store chain). There were only four of these devices and one Microsoft employee reading a magazine nearby. No one was actually getting close even if it was 30min after the office's closing time.
Next, I went to the local FNAC (another well-known department store) used to provide potential customers the opportunity to play with products. The first thing I noticed is the new two large areas dedicated to Android and iPad devices replacing the old one used to be focused on Microsoft Products. That were I've found the only Windows 8 tablet on display: an Asus Transformer, drowned among the Android slates. Then, further down was the one spot, no larger than the ones dedicated to Apple or Android, about Windows 8 computers. And it looked as people where not that interested about the stuff displayed there. Worst, the only customer there, an elder guy, was bringing out his large desktop replacement laptop from his bag to complain about the troubles and painful experience he's had so far about the new Metro interface.
So, I'm definitely not surprised to learn that sales aren't there.

rx78
on Nov 16, 2012

I'm afraid people waiting for Surface Pro will be disappointed. It is just too small to replace your laptop, and likely will be underpowered to make heavy productive tasks enjoyable. I'm not looking forward running VS in virtual machine on 10 inch screen. The RT is ideal companion that is full-time tablet plus part-time laptop for light productivity. Reverse is just too much of a compromise. I wasn't sold at first, specially with all the reviews, but more I use RT - well, more I use it :) And I never had a thought like "wish I could run Photoshop on this tiny thing". No, for heavy-duty I want that 27 inch screen. Sure there will be good fit for some people, but most will use it just as they would use RT. Desktop is for men-sized keyboard and mouse. On surface, I want go there even less then some people want to go metro on Win8 desktops.

henador
on Nov 16, 2012

You don't run VS or any other bigtime desktop app on your 10" screen! That's for tablet-oriented light usage. Get a dockable Win8 tablet with an Intel i5 CPU and then you can use a full keyboard, mouse, and large external monitor for serious work. I used that configuration to do full C++ development in VS2012 on a Samsung Slate 7.

rx78
on Nov 16, 2012

Yes, but surface Pro is far from ideal plug-and-play device. I would rather get something like Acer Iconia W700 for this (link below) which comes with docking station. And probably will, when my current workstation breaks apart. Hopefully by that time we'll get more choices and this scenario will be far more tested by manufacturers. I don't mind it to be Lenovo or Samsung.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W700-6607-11-6-Inch-Tablet/dp/B009H1BH...

henador
on Nov 16, 2012

Looks like a good system. It's really up to the needs of the particular user, that's a huge advantage to Windows. MSFT needs to drive home the "one device" strategy. They could start by making an excellent docked system for the Surface Pro. Have a TV commercial with someone using desktop apps in a docked configuration with a large monitor (what users do now) then undock the Pro and carry it out to the sofa and use Metro for light browsing, etc (what they do now with a separate tablet).

People like the "one device" capability and it's something the competition can't do. I guarantee that AAPL will do something similar in the near future ... but in a more expensive fashion (allow people to run their iOS apps on MacOS, to pump up iMac sales and bury Windows).

SvenJ
on Nov 16, 2012

I would love to see that myself. I have loaded Win8 on an old HP TX2000 (touch screen tablet with pen support, but a brick compared to today's systems). I have it set up with an external monitor and BT keyboard and mouse. It is a perfectly acceptable production setup. I can keep the desktop on the big monitor and take advantager of the live tiles on the laptop, glancing at e-mails coming in and such. Almost like a whole screen of widgets. With the right dock, say with two HDMI connections, you could have a killer system, and just pick up that tablet/laptop and go. This was sort of the concept in the promos back with WinXP tablet edition, but the hardware at the time just didnt make it all that practical.

Sothryn
on Nov 16, 2012

Duplicate... deleted.

dpwin
on Nov 16, 2012

It seems like industry reviewers are in conflict with themselves. They're critical of MS for not being forward reaching in their software, but then freak out when something changes.

The start menu thing puzzles me. How come everyone fell in love with the start menu. It hides programs down inside a part of the system that forces users to click repeatedly to get to items. I'd be willing to be most people put their everyday programs on the taskbar, so what's so bad about doing away with the start menu? MS is adjusting to the trend of touch based systems (desktop and notebooks also) where a drill down/expanding start menu makes no sense.

I've been using Win 8 on both desktops and notebooks for many months and can't imagine going back. Sure it takes a little getting used to, but if it didn't, would MS really be moving forward. Going to the corners for navigation items takes some time to get used to mentally on a mouse driven system. That being said, I really like having the best of both desktop and metro. All of my apps/games etc work just as well in Win 8, and in some cases appear to perform better.

There are also some really easy ways to configure their systems to address some of the issues people have complained about without having to 3rd party ad-ons. The community of Windows users is smart and finds lots of cool ways to let you tailor your system. Example: tiles for shutdown and restart.

Regarding the PC makers, some will thrive going forward (Lenovo), and some really have no future (HP). Reading the comments from HP the other day shows they have no clue and really need to get out of the PC business like they originally planned. They are so stuck in the past.

Rolfski
on Nov 16, 2012

Worst article I've read so far in this otherwise excellent blog.

I wouldn't have thought from this blog to jump so early on the Windows-8 is-doomed train. Are you serious? We're not even a month away after launch!
Initial sales falling behind forecasts doesn't mean this OS is dead on arrival as this article is suggesting. Come back over a year if you want to have a meaningful discussion about the success or failure of Windows 8.

Besides that, the arguments used to argue this "failure" are mostly highly suggestive and lack any solid ground for explaining possible lack of interest from the public.

Do you really think this whole Sinofsky thing will affect the trust of the average consumer? As if they know and care? Stop fooling yourself, this is typical tech blogger distortion.
Thanks to social media and the change in strategy, this company has become way more approachable and transparent for the average consumer then in the days of Vista, when it would always hide behind its partners.

And what you call a mess of hardware form factors might also be perceived by the consumer as a welcome range of choices to fit their own need.

pthurrott
on Nov 16, 2012

No offense, but Microsoft has internally determined that Windows 8 is selling worse than expected. I'm just reporting on that and trying to explain why. I'm not jumping on a "train" or whatever. It's not 'distortion," it's an attempt to figure out what happened. Because it did happen.

AndrewDover
on Nov 16, 2012

Perhaps Microsoft's internal expectations were just unrealistic then.

I don't look at this as a Sprint, but a Marathon. Microsoft achieved three major goals:
#1) A port to ARM.
#2) A unified API supporting C#, C++ and JavaScript/HTML
#3) A store based, sandboxed GUI design for touch, and battery powered computers.

In the process they delivered something with rough edges, but they shipped. Eventually they will smooth the rough transitions between desktop and touch app (tapp) land. But the API has been delivered, and won't change much for Win9.

It will take some time for the world to react. The development community will take some time absorb this, and the programming books for the new API are just starting to arrive.

It also is true that the competition is much tougher than before.

Personally, I bought a non touch laptop in August 2012 after considering that it would not until around February of 2013 that there would be a good selection of mature machines designed for Windows 8. And yes I want to see some direct comparisons between the ARM and x86 Surfaces. I have upgraded my main desktop and laptop to Win8 and have only minor complaints.

So my advice to Microsoft would be to hold off on the celebrity ads, and instead give $50 of free money to buy apps to Windows 8 adopters. Polish and improve the Microsoft Apps. And listen to your corporate customers, give them the ability to boot to the desktop or use the old start menu if they want it. Don't panic, plan to remove the problems.

clue88
on Nov 16, 2012

I think the key reason is the crap up for sale in most tech stores like Best Buy. I was sorely disappointed with the selection at Best Buy for Windows 8. Same problem as in the past, selling garbage. The Windows store on the other hand had a wealth of great products and every laptop had a touchscreen which should have been standard on all of them at best buy. I think two of the 20 laptops had touchscreens.

Second: Sorry to say but the whole desktop thing is just not as important as it used to be due to the iPad/tablet hence the need for WinRT.

Rolfski
on Nov 17, 2012

Well, I guess we both agree then that it's a good thing to report on what's going on atm inside MS regarding Windows 8 sales, but that it is also way too early to jump to any conclusions.

Or as rx78 skillfully phrased it: "Judging about success/failure now is like judging marathon runner after first kilometer"

rx78
on Nov 16, 2012

Agree on some points. Judging about success/failure now is like judging marathon runner after first kilometer, if so. The stats that last year he started a little faster doesn't mean a thing. Also, what makes me hopeful - almost any predictions Paul does turns opposite :) Sorry Paul, still love you.

bathswana
on Nov 16, 2012

"But even educated consumers are confused by this entry. Those that do understand they should skip Windows RT now have to wait until January to see what a Surface Pro is like. And that means ... you guessed it … they’re simply going to wait."

Yup. That would be me.

chilero
on Nov 16, 2012

In my case this is the first time I have EVER upgraded my OS. Usually I just keep the one installed until I replace the PC/Laptop. I liked Win8 so much (and the $40 price) that I upgraded 3 desktops and the laptop. For the very first time my entire family is running the same operating system.

I went into my local Staples last week to see what they had available and the selection was extensive. The problem was that as I began to swipe with my finger across the various screens I found out that not a single laptop, including an ultrabook, had touch screens. An OEM fail and a retailer fail.

Sterling
on Nov 16, 2012

Does the average consumer really cares that the Windows head honcho left/was outed? No. So I don't think the Sinofsky departure is to blame.

Now, the state of the economy, the confusion between Windows RT and Windows 8 and the lackluster offerings by OEMs are to blame.

One reason why I am very interested in buy a 32GB Nexus 10, even though I don't like the typical Samsung design of the hardware, is that I'm getting a tablet with a great screen at a good price.

Surface Pro looks to be THE Windows 8 tablet, but I'm sure it'll be more than the $499 that the Nexus 10 costs.

I was hoping for a new Dell Windows 8 tablet but its offering is a Windows RT version and the Windows 8 convertible isn't that "cool"-looking.

But in the end, I think most of the blame lies in Redmond. Metro is nice, I like it, but I rarely run a program on my Windows 7 machine at 1920x1080, the native resolution of my screen, so I really don't want to run a fill screen Metro app.

Some say Windows 8 is the new Vista and that might be true in terms of Vista, while having some issues, was later just bad word of mouth that doomed it. The samething is happening with Windows 8, people are (starting to) talk ill of it.

Daelen
on Nov 16, 2012

Here in Australia I have still yet to see a Windows RT device or a Windows 8 tablet. When I go into a store the overwhelming majority of computers are Windows 7 machines that have been upgraded to 8.

dregourd
on Nov 16, 2012

Great article Paul. Your eloquence reaches summits in these troubled times. For 20 years we (the Community) were believing that there was a kind of common sense at the head of Microsoft, like a blessed Pope at the head of Vatican. But we have been betrayed by short view management and, worst, greed. Most of Microsoft lovers are honnest nerds who just want to find the good adequation between human beings (users) and technology. We have been taken as hostages by a talented management prodige who hypnotised the Pope, which made us loose 2 or 3 years in a race that is relaunched every quarter... At least while we try to get stimulated by our ipads or galaxys, we can enjoy the consolation of your posts.

joex2
on Nov 16, 2012

Windows 8 is not complicated. Only an idiot does not know how to use.
Tech blogger are 80% Google fan boys and Apple fan boys.

bdegrande
on Nov 17, 2012

Someone calling others "idiot" shouldn't make two basic English mistakes in four short sentences. I have read Paul Thurrott's articles for years and simply can not imagine anyone considering him a Google or Apple fan boy.

pthurrott
on Nov 17, 2012

Thx.

Or for that matter a Microsoft fanboy. I'm a tech enthusiast. And I'm maybe a bit too into common sense for some.

subzerohitman721
on Nov 16, 2012

I think from a more pragmatic approach? So many people just upgraded to Windows 7. It works just fine. There's no reason to switch up because Windows 7 does work so well. Win 7 will be the new XP of our time.

Some very stupid decision making was employed with Windows 8. Why would you put a tablet version of IE on to a desktop? The no plug-ins version was unbelievable. A desktop uses plug-ins. Java, Flash, Div-X, & other plug ins aren't going away anytime soon.

Why would you make all these things full screen apps? Isn't the advantage of Windows is the windowing & re-sizing of screens?

I use Windows 8 & I see the advantages of it. However, you've got some very tech illiterate folks who will scream to hell because it doesn't work like the old version. It just seems to me that Microsoft rushed out this incomplete version of Windows to meet an arbitrary deadline. Instead of this method, Microsoft needs to make damn sure that Windows is 100% complete before launch. Delaying Windows 8 until anytime in 2013 would have been the best course. If anything? Microsoft needs to throw everything into Blue especially the old Windows beta testers to fix this mess.

cadrethree
on Nov 16, 2012

Microsoft couldn't execute a plan to save it's life. RT should have always just been the "Metro" interface sans Windows 8. I understand it is Windows 8, but it should never boot into Windows 8, that's why it should have always been based on their phone OS up to 10.1 screens. Metro or RT (Ipad) is for the home.

Windows 8 for the business world should be the standard OS with the start screen, etc. On rare events, it should ask you before you boot or switch to "Metro". The question is can they change this for version 2.0? If Google with Android figured out how to include printing on their mobile devices Microsoft would be dead the next day.

The Other Paul
on Nov 16, 2012

I love this post. You can't decide whether to panic or laugh, so it seems like a dark comedy. For nearly a year we geeks have had October 26 circled in dark pen on our calendars. Now that this date has come and gone, nothing has changed! We're sitting here twiddling our thumbs and writing anxious blog posts while we wait for the supply chain to catch up.

I think Windows 8 will be a great success, but it has to drag half the tech industry along with it, which is pretty hard to do. Sinofsky was sure a stickler for delivering on the date promised, and probably folks will second-guess him for years. Should he have delayed the launch for a few months and waited for PC makers and chip makers and display makers and developers and retailers and IT planners and consultants and everyone to catch up? It wouldn't be the first time a Windows launch was postponed.

Who knows? There was no way all these partners were all going to be ready at the same time, so in the end I suppose Sinofsky decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on the appointed date, and maybe having the system out there would help all the rest of the industry to catch up faster. I am not sure what else they could have done.

RAFBentwaters
on Nov 16, 2012

While I have tried Windows 8 during the prerelease beta, the last new PC I bought during the fall was Windows 7 on purpose, and my last three IT devices have been Android tablets. These machines do what I need and that's what I need, which is an odd concept if you think about it, buying something that does what you want. For 8, I didn't see it doing anything new that I wanted or needed. I am at a point in my computing life where I want the OS out of my way. When it wants to enforce its way on me, I rebel. When the Windows 8 beta demanded my Microsoft Messenger login password on the very first boot, it made it clear they viewed this not as a dictatorial relationship rather than providing what the customer wants any way they want it, which had been the hallmark of prior versions of Windows. Heck, linux has long mocked Windows for the same reasons. Linux is the user. Windows 7 is not that good but closer. 8? Hah. I saw 8 do nothing to merit such a haughty stance and my use went back to 7 where it does what I want rather than the other way around. Microsoft should be proud of 7. It's the OS that dragged me back from OSX for the same reasons I don't like 8. It's my PC or tablet. I make the rules. If you don't like it, I won't run your OS. We both win.

twitchmedia
on Nov 16, 2012

Supply chain is a definite problem, at least in Canada. None of the more "interesting" hybrid designs are available here yet and if they are, the specifications of the models currently available differ from those offered in the US. Case in point: I managed to find a Samsung Ativ SmartPC at a local retailer last weekend - unfortunately, Samsung has decided to NOT include the active digitizer on the model available here. Walked out without spending the $700, and am now waiting to see what happens with ASUS, HP and Lenovo. After some digging, it appears none of their hybrids will be available until mid-December.

Very difficult to spend money on Windows 8 related devices, when they're simply not available in the form factors that truly suit Windows 8. Frustrating.

That said, I did purchase two Win8 upgrades - I've been using the software since the Consumer preview, and truly enjoy it. I believe that Microsoft is correct in "pushing" their partners by introducing their own devices - it's ridiculous that it's so difficult to find hardware that can do the software justice at this point. Given this, I'm not surprised that sales are disappointing - there's little interesting out there to buy.

MediaCastleX
on Nov 16, 2012

I was going to say something but thought the better of it, I will always point the economy and failings of partners. Everything really is changing lately and ALL the old models are no longer valid. Whether it be music, movies, books, even the tech it just outpaces us and the businesses that try to run it all. Hell, I would consider Windows 8 a model if anything! Itself is an attempt to alter the course of its parent company in an ever changing landscape...maybe the ugly beast will become a beauty before long? Anyway, I will just concentrate on trying to pass all this "news" along in a different light (shamelessly biased) =P

sylar
on Nov 16, 2012

Just the fact that alot of choice was stripped out of this version of windows forcing people into using features they did not want and features they did want were completely removed. The performance side of the operating system is fantastic its just a big shame that the user experience is horrifying. Had MS made it optional to turn on the start button/menu and boot directly into the desktop I would have jumped at installing Win 8 onto my gamming machine and laptop but because I don't have that choice Win 7 remains my primary OS. I tried using the trial version of Win 8 Enterprise on my laptop for a week and it was just a week full of frustration.

jeffz
on Nov 16, 2012

Paul I agree with your observations in fact here are a few more.

Windows Stores - Assuming the primary market for W8 is consumers and that the goal of consumer oriented OS is to
act as a conduit to a marketplace, the W8 experience is horrible compared to competitors. The W8 Music app experience compared to Zune for example.

Apps - and the lack thereof. Just as with Windows Phone - the lack of mainstream apps that are available for other platforms. It would seem as though MS couldn't or wouldn't even sponsor dev efforts.

Home Networking / Media experience - You have written extensively over the years about WHS and now WS Essentials. I went a different route going from WHS 2011 to straight WS2012 as my home server. The hoops I had to jump through to get some of the W8 apps and their new indexing scheme to recognize content on a Windows Server was ridiculous and not even documented in TechNet. And the fact that Xbox is really MS's primary focus for media extension is a joke as well.

On the hardware side - let's face it - the traditional leaders in the PC space, HP and Dell are hurting and I agree that their willingness to invest seems to have waned. It's not that Asus or Samsung are bad products - in fact they are quite good - but from a consumer brand recognition standpoint - that's what a lot of folks look for.. And while an MS branded device may inspire some confidence - its as much alienating to those traditional players as well. Bottom line is it is confusing to customers and the pricing is not great...

Finally I agree that many corporations are not going to move as quickly to W8. My company does a lot of EUC transformations and companies now are looking at how to deliver apps/etc to users on any device - not just PCs. Many firms do not really want to spend capex anymore on PCs let alone own the asset and/or maintain it.

The tipping point here may be what the Office folks do - if all the rumors regaring Office for iOS and Android are true. How long do you ignore a 100+ million device market that is growing faster than your traditional one...?

Johnny B
on Nov 16, 2012

I also think that because Windows 8 is such a change, that no matter what:
--Gonna take time for the bad hardware designs to shake out and there are a lot of them.
--People are going to be cautious in the beginning until hardware improves and there are more metro-based apps available.
--Since this is a new PC OS designed for the mobile future, curious to see how real world productivity apps are designed for usage in Metro. Real world productivity app usage is not something the iPad was made to accomplish. I do believe that IOS and MacOS will eventually merge, but that is years away.

It's not surprising to me that the really curious will purchase windows 8 machines and OS upgrades causing sales to meet expectations in the first few days. Then I expect sales to go down and stabilize as normal consumers become familiar with the new windows. The only question I have is what will happen next. I love the new experience and hope it succeeds, but consumers will make the choice in the end. I see a potential problem because many in the tech journalism side of things are on the Apple team and will influence buyers.

Damaged
on Nov 17, 2012

Dear Paul. Give me back my money for the Windows Phone app that never worked correctly.

Thanks,

Discouraged viewer/listener.

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