Drop Dropbox? Why Would You Even Use Dropbox?

Ed Bott has written an interesting blog post about dropping Dropbox for Windows Live Mesh. But the question that I immediately have is, why the heck would any Windows user even use Dropbox in the first place? For Windows users, Windows Live Mesh has always been the better solution.

Ed's post explains the why (a recent security failure coupled with previous issues) and the how (relatively straightforward) of his change. And if you're actually considering this switch, please do read it.

But at a higher level, I'd just point out that, depending on your needs, Dropbox is and has always been horribly limited for Windows users when compared to Windows Live Mesh. And while I, too, have certainly had a Dropbox account for years, I've never once switched from Live Mesh (yes, through all the name changes) because it's always been better. So I guess I don't quite get the need here.

Dropbox and Windows Live Mesh both provide PC-to-PC and PC-to-cloud data sync. Both provide some form of device integration as well, and for people outside the Windows ecosystem (iPad users, for example), this is the one area where Dropbox exceeds Live Mesh's capabilities: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry.

Notice the lack of the word "Windows" in that list? That's why I've ignored Dropbox over the years in lieu of Windows Live Mesh. Well, that and the fact that Live Mesh is (and has always been) superior.

Here's how that's so.

Storage. Dropbox provides 2 GB of storage for free, and offers annual subscriptions of up to 100GB. Live Mesh provides 5 GB of cloud storage for free and unlimited PC-to-PC sync. It's free. And this combination of peer-to-peer and peer-to-cloud capabilities means that you can completely bypass the cloud if you're freaked out by the possibility of your files being stored out in the Internet. You can't do that with Dropbox.

Works the way you work. Dropbox currently only provides a single folder (your "dropbox"), whose contents are synced to the cloud and to any connected devices. Windows Live Mesh lets you sync any number of folders, which can be stored anywhere in your file system, between PCs and, optionally, to the cloud. For example, I have separate Live Mesh folders for each of my books, for frequently used work-related documents, for favorite photos, and so on. I don't have to change my document storage scheme to match Dropbox's limited capabilities. I just work the way I always work.

Remote access. Live Mesh provides a free way to remotely access each connected PC, similar to Remote Desktop Connection, which works from anywhere online. So if you need a file that is not synced but is stored on a different PC, you can simply connect to that PC and drag and drop it over to your current machine.

Application settings and configuration sync. It's limited now, but Live Mesh also syncs Internet Explorer favorites and Microsoft Office styles, templates, custom dictionary, and email signatures between all connected PCs.

I have used and relied on Windows Live Mesh for years, and it provides a safe and secure way to sync my work between multiple PCs and, in the case of my books, share sync files between me and my coauthor. I see no need for Dropbox at all. And while the recent security issue is just the icing on the so-called cake, that's just an excuse. Dropbox never made any sense to me, and I suspect it really doesn't answer a need of most of the people reading this.

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So, for whatever it's worth, I too did use this recent security issue has a "reason" to cancel my Dropbox account. But come on. I wasn't using it in the first place, and I should have closed it years ago. If you're a Windows user, you should think about doing the same. You have a superior and free alternative that's better integrated right into Windows. It's called Windows Live Mesh.

Discuss this Article 95

Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
What if I have more than 5 GB of data to sync? I currently have about 20 GB of photos I'd rather not lose and I don't see any way to increase the available space. I could surely buy some space to Google and sync my photo on Picasa Web Albums, but that would mean using a second software to keep things synced and what happens if I want to save my music too? Windows Live's main drawback is the lack of any visible offering to increase the amount of space available on the cloud.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I can see how you like it if you always use several computers so the chance of all of them going bang at around the same time is small. Live Mesh isn't superior. It is different. Dropbox gives you up to 100GB in the cloud if you pay. If it's stuff you really don't want to lose then you know it's on each computer and in the cloud - and older versions of changed files are recoverable. You get shared public links to anything you want to share - out of the entire 100GB - because all of it is online. Plus it just works - Live Mesh has always been clunky.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Simple answer is Dropbox works in XP Live Mesh doesn't.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Used to use Live Mesh but ran into an issue where I would get file-write errors if I tried to save a file while it was being synced by Live Mesh. Not sure if it's still a problem, but it made Live Mesh unusable.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
And the number of mobile apps that use Windows Live Mesh are how many? Granted, if you're just doing PC-to-PC sync, I'm sure it's a fine product. But because of devices like the iPad and a general hatred of sync cables, you need apps that communicate to "the cloud" and a vast majority of them use Dropbox as their backend. When that happens, then Dropbox should be worried.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dear paul, How do i get my live mesh files on WP7?..
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Well mate, i agree with you, but i use dropbox to sync files to my Android phone, i dont think theres a Live Mesh app for android so i can transfer my files. or do you know of some app? other then that, i agree, been using mesh for a few years now, and it rocks. and i have to use dropbox because of the phone thingy :)
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Live Mesh is not a better solution when you need to share files with an older XP machine. That's why I use dropbox.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Isn't the problem that Microsoft doesn't understand the product? Besides the name changes, how/why does it differ from the suddenly overly marketed "SkyDrive"? I also believe the lack of clients for non-Win7 and a lack of API that Android/iOS/BB developers might use make it a non-starter for many.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
You nicely as well as Ed leave out the whole I can't interact with Sync Folders on skydrive web interface. Which is why a lot of us plus the whole other client thing use dropbox.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Why use Dropbox? I have a windows computer and an Iphone.. Currently my ONLY reason to use it..
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Granted if you're only windows its not the best solution .... but for those of us who regularly work on Mac/Windows/Linux/iOS etc and use apps like 1Password which sync data via dropbox its a necessary evil. I would prefer another solution but it is what it is
yoshipod
on Jul 5, 2011
I love how Paul contradicts himself. This week he wrote the following. "Both provide some form of device integration as well, and for people outside the Windows ecosystem (iPad users, for example), this is the one area where Dropbox exceeds Live Mesh's capabilities: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry. Notice the lack of the word "Windows" in that list? That's why I've ignored Dropbox over the years in lieu of Windows Live Mesh." "Dropbox never made any sense to me, and I suspect it really doesn't answer a need of most of the people reading this." A few weeks ago, he wrote this. "And since many PC users are also iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad users, many PC users are going to want to partake in iCloud as well. And there's nothing wrong with that." So in today's article people should use the MS solution since everything they do is in Windows. Yet a couple of weeks ago, he writes that PC users also use products that DON'T work with live mesh. So which is it? Do you understand now why Dropbox makes sense to many people?
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I concur with what you say whenever someone asks me about my choice to use Mesh over dropbox. Bang on Paul! With Mesh there are clients for Mac, but as you mention, no clients for android or IOS. I recently shared on http://regularitguy.com how Mesh works for me in my house sync'ing photos across family computers and work computers. Heck - even disaster recovery scenarios. *disclaimer* sure - I work for MS, but started out with FolderShare ages ago. Rick @RicksterCDN
apcd2
on Jul 5, 2011
There's one very obvious reason for using Dropbox. Windows XP support. I had to leave Live Mesh when Microsoft removed XP support for no good reason. Maybe I'll go back when my company finally upgrade but I can't help thinking Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with regards to Mesh penetration with that bizarre decision.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Ever since live sync changed for live mesh, I've had countless sync conflict issues, not to mention how clunky the whole setup is whenever you add a new machine if you have numerous folders, and the mac version blows. The seduction with dropbox (for me at least) is how easy it is to setup on new machines/devices. I've tried a gazillion similar products, and dropbox is always the simplest to setup.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Non-windows mobile phone app for Windows Live Mesh? None.
bruss
on Jul 5, 2011
Mesh would be great - if MS had an Android client...
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
The reason I still have a DropBox account and still use it at least for now, is precisely because of it's cross-platform support. I have a few projects that I work on with other people who are Mac/iOS only, or Linux/Android only. I'm Windows/WP7 only, but we can all share files really easily because of the clients and application support on so many platforms.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I use Dropbox because I haven't found a better cross-platform tool that works with my Macs as well. I have several machines, of both flavors, plus a Linux machine as well, and Dropbox is the only thing I've found that runs everywhere. If I can do it with Live Mesh, and stop paying for the extra 50GB of Dropbox storage I have, I'll gladly do it, but I don't think it's possible.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Paul, I switched from Mesh to Dropbox for a single reason: I don't believe Microsoft is committed to this technology. Mesh was supposed to be this big deal, a centerpiece of new technology in Windows, developers were going to integrate the MOE into their apps, and then... it sat there, for like a year, with no news or major updates. Then it was announced that Mesh was going away and we were going to get Sync instead but with vastly less free storage- and we had to reupload all our stuff again. And then they decided to change the name back to Mesh. So if my confidence in this product long term is low, you can see why. And like you said, there are no other clients for Android, iOS, WebOS etc. If I am using my iPad, and I want to grab a document, I can do it using DropBox, but not if I am using Live Mesh.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
While WLM is pretty great, DropBox has a huge edge over it because it's supported on every platform. Sadly, you can't say that about WLM, and that's Microsoft's mistake. For MS to effectively displace DropBox, there should be a WLM app on every mobile platform, OS X, Linux and every version of Windows (WLM only works with Vista/7).
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I will take a look at live mesh to see if it is a better replacement, but dropbox does still fill a need. As a student I use dropbox to sync my documents between my desktops (windows, mac, linux), laptop, iPad and my android phone. I also use the public feature to submit assignments that are way too large to email. I never put anything in dropbox that contains personal data that I wouldn't want public. I mostly use it like a virtual usb thumb drive.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
One major bug with Windows Live Mesh is from time to time the service on any one of my PCs will crash or not boot properly. Of course, all I have to do is relaunch the application but when dealing with a remote PC there is no way for me to relaunch the application when I can't get to the computer remotely. I need to access a computer that is remote, unmanned, and a 7 hour drive away and when that computer is inaccessible I have to drive there to fix it. This is such a huge bug that I had to stop using Windows Live Mesh in favor of GoToMyPC (I have never had a case where GoToMyPC did not boot properly) and Dropbox. Free is great but if it doesn't work 99% of the time then it's worthless to me.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Paul appears to be mistaken about Dropbox not having a Windows client. If they do not have a one, why do I have an icon for Dropbox sitting in my Tray in Windows 7? When I click it, there is a very simple Windows Explorer window that opens and allows me to drag and drop files. I find Dropbox very easy to use and since I don't keep any sensitive information in it, security is not an issue. I also have access to my Dropbox files from my Android phone and don't have to use a browser to view my files.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
On *NIX systems you can also sync any folder you want in Dropbox by using Symbolic links. on the Mac there is even a nice app to do it ( MacDropAny ) . And it works pretty flawlessly. I believe you can do the sort of the same thing (symlink = Junctions ?) in Windows but i don't know how.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I've used Mesh in it's current and previous forms since it came out. I had a MBP for a while - dual booted into Win7 mostly. But I seem to recall that Mesh (in it's pre-Mesh iteration) was available for OSX also. Is that still true?
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I have a few problems with this article: 1) What if you need to keep a folder of files updated for users on both Apple and Windows platforms? Yes, Dropbox might not be as good if you solely need to access YOUR files from different windows-based computers, but if you are collaborating on a number of files with other people on various platforms, then Dropbox is by far the better solution. 2) Users of Dropbox can actually get 8gb of free cloud storage, 0.25 for each additional user they recommend to use it. 3) If you feel necessary, you can encrypt the files you put on dropbox yourself. But you should NEVER put data on any online if you would not be comfortable with someone else seeing. Any security system CAN be breached, it's just a matter of time. 3) Even though Mesh might give you 5gb of storage right off of the bat, it's not like you can use it as a file backup option...most people have more than 5gb of files that need to be backed up.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
'Drop Dropbox? Why Would You Even Use Dropbox?' Oh heck, I dunno... Maybe because Live Mesh doesn't support iOS or Android, the two most popular mobile OS's by a large margin? If Live Mesh had clients for MacOS, iOS, and Android, no one would even be discussing this. Live Mesh is superior in it's user options but once again MS misses the interoperability boat and restricts it to the MS ecosystem.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
As long as *ANY* Microsoft offering-of-the-day doesn't offer file-system level integration (e.g. mapping a drive or directory to my "cloud" storage) but only klunky HTTP / browser interfaces, it's a non-starter for me. Dropbox beautifully integrates into my filesystem, I can copy around files between my machine and Dropbox using cmd.exe or PowerShell - no messy browser session needed.....
maccouch
on Jul 5, 2011
On *NIX systems you can also sync any folder you want in Dropbox by using Symbolic links and it works pretty flawlessly. On the Mac there is even a nice app to do it ( MacDropAny ) instead of using the terminal command " ln -s sourcedir targetdir ". I believe you can do the sort of the same thing (symlink = Junctions ?) in Windows but i don't know how.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
The only problem I see is that Windows Live Mesh 2011 doesn't support Win XP. I was basically forced to use Dropbox because my collaborators didn't have updated OS's. I personally think MS is doing the right thing by dropping the old OS but there are still people using XP.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
On paper live mesh may seem the better option, however live mesh is confusing to the lamen. Dropbox has never tried to be anything more than a simple cloud storage/sync solution. I would wager that the vast majority of the general users of WIndows do not even know what Live Mesh is or that it is part of Windows already. What they do know is that there is a simple program called Dropbox that everyone uses. Dropbox has always been Dropbox, not DropMesh or LiveDrop or DropLiveMeshBox, and that in of itself is reason enough. That, and it just works.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I used Live Mesh when I used Windows Mobile phones, and it was invaluable. It's precisely because of that experience that Live Mesh is a nonstarter for me now, with an Android phone (EVO 4G) and tablet (rooted Nook Color). The computing & document creation capabilities of those devices far outstrip the capabilities of my old Touch Pro, so a sync solution that works seamlessly with them is even more important. SugarSync is my tool of choice. I kept Live Mesh running on my laptops for a while as a redundant backup, but I eventually even disabled that.
Webdev511
on Jul 5, 2011
@yoshipod You didn't do a very good job of making Paul sound contradictory. In this post he's talking about straight up Windows use and only points out the native clients becaues there is no native dropbox client for windows. In the older write up he's talking about PC users and their iGadgets using iCloud which makes sense if you're moving iConent around from one iDevice to another. Odds of using iCloud to sync non-iConent from one non-iGadget to another? VERY low.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
He used "I've ignored" and "many PC users" I don't use drop box because Live Mesh does almost everything I need for free. I have an iPhone yet the pictures I need are on skydrive and not live mesh and most of the files I have are either office or pdf's which I can preview on my phone, but who would want to edit something on a device like that. It would be ideal if Microsoft would integrate these two services.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Windows live mesh does not support windows xp. And I use an array of windows 7, xp, mac os x and linux OS. Enough said.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dropbox works exactly because of its one folder simplicity. The average user has never even heard of Live Mesh.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Or just build your own using iFolder. Pretty darn easy and as much storage as you could ever possibly want.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
@yoshipod "this is the one area where Dropbox exceeds Live Mesh's capabilities: There are native Dropbox clients for iPhone, iPad, Android, and Blackberry." He specifically allows for this in the above article. He is not directly contradicting himself. He is saying that if you are one of those users that is primarily in the Windows eco system it doesn't make sense for you to use Dropbox. See above if you are not one of those users...
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I would love to consider Live Mesh, but only if I could sync with my other devices. I'm a Windows user (and fan) but also user of linux and android. So I guess, there isalmost ni alternative for dropbox for me.
romeyinfc
on Jul 5, 2011
Paul, you've overlooked some pretty key features in DropBox, and pretty compelling reasons at that. I run both of them side-by-side, but use Dropbox to sync all of my daily use files. Dropbox provides pretty good version-tracking. You can easily rollback to previous version of a file. In addition, the "Public" folder is a fantastic solution to share those files that are too big for email attachments - simply put your file in that folder, right-click and Copy Public Link. Last but not least, DropBox sync performance still trumps Windows Live Mesh. The latest version of Mesh has gotten better about communicating status, but I've placed items in shared folders to only have to wait hours until they've sync'd over to where I expect them to be. Mesh also has royally messed up syncing things like OneNote Notebooks, creating hundreds of copies of the same OneNote files (I finally worked around this by syncing one-note directly to my SkyDrive storage - a process that isn't exactly intuitive in OneNote 2010.
yoshipod
on Jul 5, 2011
That is my point. Who exists solely in the Windows Ecosystem? The majority of users of Windows use non windows devices. He contradicts himself by asking why anyone would use Dropbox when Windows Live Mesh is superior. Yet he already answered the question himself.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I use Dropbox as an easy way to get files to my iOS and Android devices. I know there may be other ways to do it, but none quite so easy for me as Dropbox. When Live Mesh has an iOS, Android and/or WP7 app, I'll happily give it another look (I used it a few years ago, and liked it).
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Why? Because Dropbox is cross platform, and you are *sharing* data with people who use a wide variety of platforms, including Windows, OS X, iOS, and Linux. Or you are sharing data from devices that are not always online or accessible from outside networks. Live Mesh only makes sense for people who only use Windows, not for people who want to share data among devices on multiple platforms, or who want to share data with people who might be using *any* platform.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I'll give you two letters to describe the reason I gave up on Mesh, and all it's predecessors, and started using DropBox: XP. Nuff said!
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Why do people use Dropbox? 1. *Not* Windows only 2. Other apps (such as 1Password) use it for syncing 3. It's simple. Yes other tools might have more "power" but Dropbox works so well because it's simple. Just drop something in and it's everywhere you want. What's funny is you provided some of that very reasons why people use Dropbox.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
I have two Windows computers (desktop and laptop), a Mac Mini, and an iPad. Because I like to save power, these machines aren't always powered on (except for the iPad), and Live Mesh kind of sucks when that is the case. If my laptop is in my bag and I power on my desktop, I have to make sure to power on my laptop and then wait for my files to sync through Live Mesh. That SUCKS. Also, as you said, Live Mesh isn't available for the iPad, so Dropbox is way more useful for me.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dropbox: 2GB File size limit; Mesh/SkyDrive: 50MB. If you're going to make something, free or not, make it useful and effective.
Anonymous
on Jul 5, 2011
Dud Are you really that dense or dose sounding like a moron give you some kind of credibility, in your world? This article isnt about, if windows Pc users, also use android, Apple, or any thing ells for that matter what he is saying is if you are "plugged in" to the Microsoft ecosystem live Mesh is better then drop box. Now I would dispute that fact based on the grounds that live Mesh will not sync to my windows phone (as far as I know, and please some one correct me if I am wrong)! But that doesnt change the fact that your argument is base less and frankly has nothing to do with this article. if you use an IPod, and a Nexus 1 along with your windows PC then this article obviously doesnt apply to you, He is simple outlining the reasons he believes one solution is better then another, IF (and only if)you are using a host of other Microsoft products! (IE. WinPhone, Zune, IE8/9, other windows PCs)

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