And the Biggest Barrier to Windows Phone Acceptance Is…

Yes, apps are the problem ... just not in the way you may think

Like many Windows Phone fans, I’ve spent of a lot of time wondering about and discussing this platform’s lack of acceptance in the marketplace. And while I do think Windows Phone 8 will help improve matters, I’ve got this nagging feeling in the back of my head that Microsoft’s smart phone OS will never really take off. And now I think I know why.

A lot of the debate around Windows Phone involves red herrings, excuses about why Microsoft’s system—which I think is vastly superior to either iOS or Android—has never really sold in acceptable numbers. When the platform first launched, the excuses were multitasking, cut and paste, and the lack of apps. When Microsoft fixed the multitasking and cut and paste issues in early 2011, the discussion turned almost solely to apps.

But I’ve argued—still do—that app count doesn’t explain it. Microsoft spent much of 2012—and spent tons of cash—to correct this issue, and as of this writing there are over 125,000 apps in the Windows Phone Store. Microsoft claimed recently that 46 of the top 50 Android and iOS apps and games would be available to Windows Phone users by the launch of Windows Phone 8, which just happened. We have plenty of apps.

Some argue that it’s not the number of apps but rather the lack of key apps that prevent users from coming to Windows Phone. If you want Instagram, for example, you can find reasonable clones on Windows Phone, of course. But you can only get the real thing on iPhone or Android.

The thing is, I don’t actually believe that real people make buying decisions like that. I don’t think anyone has ever walked into a wireless carrier’s store with a list of apps and said demanded a phone that runs those apps. It’s just not the way people think. No one ever seriously considered Windows Phone, noticed the lack of Instagram, or whatever, and then walked away.

No, I think the ambivalence about Windows Phone happens well before any visit to the store, and it happens in ways that are vague and not even consciously understood. People dismiss Windows Phone because of a collective and mounting series of slights out in the real world that they don’t even realize they’re registering.

And it’s all Costco’s fault.

OK, not really. But a visit to Costco recently triggered a realization. You see, Costco, like so many other places, offers apps. They offer apps for Android and for iPhone. Here’s the little promo for them.

I have no need or desire to use such an app, but that’s not the point. You see these kinds of things everywhere now. I don’t get out much, but even I have seen a ton of these in recent days, in a supermarket, in the subway, and even at the Celtics Pro Shop in North Station, where they were advertising a Boston Bruins apps (which annoyingly also comes in a Blackberry version).

You see these kinds of app promos in museums, in stores of all kinds, in restaurants, in cabs, in virtually everywhere that you go throughout your day. Whether the apps are in fact useful is irrelevant. They’re there. And they are always available for Android and iOS, and very occasionally for Blackberry. And almost never for Windows Phone.

The cumulative effect of these app promotions for Android and iOS are, I think, Windows Phone’s biggest problem. Because they create an effect in people’s minds where Android and iOS are the only smart phones available that make any sense. (And certainly, from a market share perspective, that opinion is validated.) So even though most people probably don’t think about these app ads very much if at all, when the time comes to make a purchase, they are often thinking Android or iOS. Windows Phone doesn’t even register.

Now you may argue that this is simply part of the overall argument that apps are the real reason. But it’s not the same thing. Android and iOS both offer four to five times the app selection as Windows Phone, sure, but that’s not why real people ignore Windows Phone. It’s the constant affirmation—via these app promos out in the real world—that’s doing it.

And I don’t see how Microsoft can easily fix this problem. These app promotions are slowly cementing the notion in consumers that Windows Phone doesn’t matter.

Discuss this Article 72

pollycat
on Nov 10, 2012

Apps still do matter. There are certain apps I use every day on the iPhone that make my life easier, and they're not available on Windows phone. So, this makes Windows phone "less than" for me, until these apps are released.

Love the minimalist design of the OS and the sleek and exciting new handset designs too on Windows phone, but it just can't do what my iPhone can at the moment (and that means the apps I have come to rely on, not the underlying OS).

Oh, and what about the Windows Phone 7.5 "dead end" - could "word of mouth" about that have added to the perception that: you buy Windows phone, you get screwed?

ken morgan
on Nov 10, 2012

I keep up to date as a consumer to all things new. I've been a iPhone owner since 2007, mostly because when it was launched it was light years ahead of anything. Both OS and hardware. Yesterday, I purchased a Lumina 920, (against your recommendation that the HTC is the best), and the learning curve is fairly steep. I'm confident that I'll be up to speed here in a couple of days. But I'm committed to making it happen. I'm tired of having to use workarounds to sync info to my phone. Tired of no substitute for Office etc. I will make this work and be better for it. However, my wife has also been an Apple user mostly because I used it. But, she will not be able to make the change. It has been too long and the new windows OS is nothing like the Apple. To say it is less intuitive is not true, but it is very different, and I don't want to have to sit next to her all day explaining how to arrange her home screen or the advantages of syncing everything with Skydrive. We ordered her the new iPhone 5.
I think you are wrong, Windows 8 will take off because of the similarities to the desktop environment. New users of the desktop will slowly begin to understand the jestures and interface on their PC's, making it an easy move to the mobile environment. It will just take some time. 1-2 years perhaps. I'm praying that Microsoft stays the course and continues to update this OS. Dumb things like no timer are just the beginning. Yes, I know I can get on on the app store, but some of these need to be baked in to save my app list from running wild.
I love your new site and your insight into all things Microsoft, keep up the good work.
Ken

jeffkibuule
on Nov 10, 2012

You cannot buy a phone you've never heard of. That's Windows Phone's problem. And regardless of the design of the Lumia 900, it was a mid-range phone at best, with specs that could have easily been built in 2011.

The Lumia 920 and HTC 8X are the first Windows Phone devices that are competitive on a hardware level with the best of Android and iOS, and that's never happened before.

I'm personally enjoying my Lumia 920 and hope the ecosystem continues to grow.

pthurrott
on Nov 10, 2012

Regarding Windows Phone 7.5 "dead end," I don't think anyone in the real world was aware of this. And that's no worse than what happens to Android users--in fact it was at least transparent--and Android is the number one mobile platform.

Ron H
on Nov 10, 2012

I have a 7.5 phone. I don't really care that I can't get 8 on it, 7.8 will update the interface nicely. My hardware doesn't support a lot of the new features, so a new dual core 1.5 etc... piece of hardware will go nicely when my contract is up shortly...

MarcSilverTriple
on Nov 10, 2012

Well... If only that: got a Lumia 920 last saturday in France. At this stage, I keep my Windows Phone 7.5 alive, with Wifi shared on the Lumia. Just one single reason. Skype is not available for Windows Phone 8. I'm patient, It will probably come soon, but having a few application missing from Microsoft seems very weird : Skype, Photosynth are basically absent at this stage for Windows Phone 8 and Skydrive only available from yesterday...

UnnDunn
on Nov 13, 2012

Skype for Windows Phone 8 is now out in beta.

mstudney50
on Nov 10, 2012

I think that is 1 of 3 major issues. the other 2 are:

1) Microsoft still has a poor consumer reputation DUE to their Corporate PC Monopoly. Companies customize, slow down and take years to update to the latest and greatest Microsoft Software (Shocking how many companies are still on Office 2003!!). This gives them a poor consumer reputation and makes people want to buy Apple or other products for the home (especially people who make enough money to pay too much for a computer they surf the net on, manage photos/videos and do personal email).

2) Microsoft has inexplicably done a horrible job supporting basic Corporate Device policies with Windows Phone to date. They have FINALLY addressed this with Windows Phone 8, but I am sorry, they are too late. 1 of 10 people MIGHT switch if they have problems with Apple... but seriously, 80% of the people I work with are connected via an iPhone or Blackberry and the proposition to change is just not there, despite WP8's superior experience... most of the Blackberry users are waiting to get an iPhone when their contract is up. People LOVE my Lumia 900 after I show it to them for 90 seconds, but as soon as they learn they cannot connect to our exchange server for mail and calendar, they COMPLETELY dismiss it. Huge miss on Microsoft's part.

Biggest missing feature at WP7 launch was full EAS support... It will go down as the number 1 reason why the hill got steeper for Microsoft when it comes to WP adoption.

As you noted, no one cares or even uses app regularly! The built in apps matter! the other 800K apps are mostly crap, with some that are cool, but mostly not useful to the average user (games and some major apps are important, like FB, Twitter, etc.). WP has them.

Anyway, you are right that commercials, ads and discussions focus on iOS and Google... and until Microsoft buys its way into these apps and ads one at a time, they are going to struggle.

Flooding the markets outside of the US with more options will help, but rather than winning out due to its amazing User experience, MS will end up with 1/3 share by the middle to end of this decade.... and that is, until someone else disrupts the market and they have to start all over again.

Typed this from my Surface Type Cover, which is why its so long! :-)

exmsde
on Nov 10, 2012

I completely agree with you Paul. I covered this point back in April http://hal2020.com/2012/04/05/is-microsoft-courting-the-wrong-developers...

Hal

Foamy
on Nov 10, 2012

I got my mother an 800 and she has mentioned this exact thing being frustrating for her.

However, I remember having this problem when I was using android a few years ago, I was always complaining companies only ever made iOS apps. Android STILL has this issue in a lot of places and it's the most popular and 5 years old.

I was thinking a few months ago about what can be done about this and do you know the best thing I could think of? Make windows 8 metro apps a big deal, windows 8 has the momentum to rapidly jump to this position. If MS can get windows 8 apps to this level then it will be easy and obvious for companies to make the app on WP8 at the same time.

Foamy
on Nov 10, 2012

I got my mother an 800 and she has mentioned this exact thing being frustrating for her.

However, I remember having this problem when I was using android a few years ago, I was always complaining companies only ever made iOS apps. Android STILL has this issue in a lot of places and it's the most popular and 5 years old.

I was thinking a few months ago about what can be done about this and do you know the best thing I could think of? Make windows 8 metro apps a big deal, windows 8 has the momentum to rapidly jump to this position. If MS can get windows 8 apps to this level then it will be easy and obvious for companies to make the app on WP8 at the same time.

garymoncrieff
on Nov 10, 2012

Even when a brand has an app for WP a lot of time they don't advertise that fact either. They only say Android and iOS.

euskalzabe
on Nov 10, 2012

This is so true! I've noticed this too all around Chicago and every time I think to myself, why is there even a BB app and not a WP one? This is indeed a problem and I'm not sure there's any easy solution. Hopefully now that Verizon is taking WP8 seriously the platform will solidify more and hopefully other businesses will start developing and advertising their WP apps...

I care deeply about WP, it's a fantastic platform and after owning iOS and Android devices, WP is to me by far the one I hold dearest thanks to its design, practicality and responsiveness. I would hate it if it was forced out of the market...

WaddlzInMn
on Nov 10, 2012

I completely agree with your assessment of why Windows Phone is running uphill to get a foothold in smart phone market. I was at the Inforum conference in April this year and they had a nifty little app for keeping track of break-out sessions attendees had registered for. Problem was, the app was for iOS or Android. I too see these little marketing placards at all the stores and the fact that Windows Phone is missing from ALL of them has the effect of making the MS smart phone platform irrelevent.

rx78
on Nov 10, 2012

You can only counter it with exclusivity. I like HTC phone but I would go Nokia for it's apps. Same mentality pushed Apple on it's fans - you won't get all those PC apps, but lovely Garage Band, Final Cut etc.available only here. MS no more dysfunctional family it was, but it still spends more time developing Bing for iPhone than Win phone.

brat1475
on Nov 10, 2012

I absolutely agree with you Paul. I actually was an original Windows Mobile guy, switched to the iPhone, and then to Android. When I got bored with Android, I made the switch back to WP7.5. My Radar 4g at the time did a lot of nice things, but three things that bugged me were unable to plug the phone in and be seen as an external drive (fixed in WP8), podcasts, zune wanted me to save at least one episode of each podcast on my device, and finally as you discuss, I felt the lack of promotional apps bugged me, so I switched back to Android. I plan to watch and wait on Windows 8, RT, and WP8 and see how it progresses over the next year. I am rooting for Microsoft and would love to go back, so we shall see.

pjs37
on Nov 10, 2012

I think you're absolutely right. Its not the apps or even key apps, its the fact that every store you go to, every museum, every train station etc. They all sit there and say "Download our app!" and you know no matter what it will be on the iPhone 99% of the time. Now its usually iOS and Android maybe like 80% of the time but I have yet to see the sign that says "And Windows Phone"

sunco
on Nov 10, 2012

Those are valid points, but I think it changes a little in México. Here is all about money. We don't use to buy phones by contract, but free contract. Yes, many people do, but not everybody.

I own an old LG Optimus 7, great phone, was the first one here. It cost me $782 USD. Considering this to a $521 USD Samsung Ace, or $304 USD for a BlackBerry (wi-fi only - wide used here).

Yes, there is no comparison, I know. But considering that an average people here earn $10 USD a day, you can do the math. Non average people, small group, buys power/expensive phones.

Of course, you don't get the Windows Phone power, but if you want to compete, you need to make some changes and that way join the market. When you have solid sales, then you increase features etc..

I'm a developer, one of my app is Clap and has been downloaded 5 thousand unique times. My statistics says 2400 users owns a Lumia 710, and 1320 owns Lumia 610. So, as you can see it's all about money.

Since the beginning of WP, I have NEVER seen a single one tv ad or newspaper ad (still wide used here)

Also, some features are just killer, like bluethoot transfer files (new on WP 8) and usb storage. At least 10 of my family/friends when they know the lack of those features, decided other platform. They don't care about OS, they care about key features.

MaryLV
on Nov 10, 2012

I feel poor customer service is also a huge problem. When preorder date was announced I called a pop store here in Las Vegas. No preorder option at all and no idea when they would have them in stock. Come on MS this is your own store. When I saw the release date announced I called back but again they had no idea when or if they would have them in stock. I went to AT&T to preorder. Had to do it via web page only. Error on that page said to call 800#. Called them but was told web page only and try again next day. Called AT&T store day before release date but they said they had no info on availability except nothing in the store yet. Took a chance and went into the store early next morning and got my Lumia 920 and I love it!! What about customers that are not as persistent as me. They get an iPhone or an Android. MS should do more to coordinate outlets for sure.

tboggs13
on Nov 10, 2012

I have felt the same frustration the last 6 months or so. The use and proliferation of apps by companies from restaurants to hair salons is exploding. Most of these apps will not be best sellers in any marketplace, but they are a boon to customers.

To be fair, 2 years ago all you saw were iPhone apps.

This reminds me of when Discover Card entered the credit card market. That was an uphill battle with Visa and MasterCard. I think Discover solicited the stores and offered better transaction fees, and as part of the agreement you had to put window stickers on your store with the Discover sign being the most prominent.

In case you haven't noticed, MS even displays the iPhone more prominently than WP on some of their sites. Regardless of whether people prefer something else, you should always show your products first.

MS definitely needs to market to developers. In exchange for prominently placing the WP App logo on sites, they need to give them incentives. Maybe free VS licenses, store accounts or maybe even additional revenue from the store. Perhaps free Azure compute time for the back end of all their programs.

Another thought would be their developer groups. I would consider building an app for one of my favorite websites if I could monetize it for them. So basically it would be an RSS feed reader, but I don't want it in my name, I would want any add revenue sent to them in exchange for placing a WP App logo on their site.

This would just be a way to get it started. Once they see interest, maybe they would develop a full app or contract someone to.

If I built the app and kept it to myself, they may never know about it, would never put a link on their site and could even have it pulled from the market place.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

Good news! Most of your ideas about Microsoft engaging developers are actually already in place.

Check it:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/apps/br229512

The great thing about the Windows 8 ecosystem is you can develop an app for the PC an Mobile devices virtually simultaneously. In fact, with the largest Developer Community in the world, I'm guessing we'll see substantial growth of Windows Phone and Windows applications.

Rolfski
on Nov 10, 2012

Completely agree with Paul here, this is one of the biggest issues with the Windows Phone platform I've been complaining about for a long time.

Here in the Netherlands, every self-respecting company seems to promote its own app nowadays and many advertising campaigns are centered around it.

This creates a collective perception that there are only 2 smart phone platforms out there. Which is of course a killer problem for Microsoft that is hard to solve: There is just no interest with local developers for the Windows Phone platform.

The only way I see Windows Phone to ever take off is when it becomes the same as Windows, which I expect to be one of the main features of Windows 9.

CyCreeper
on Nov 10, 2012

I do know one reason for holding me back from buying a Windows phone is the lack of a few key apps some examples would be Starbucks Official app as well as Square Wallet and card reader I use all of those almost every single day. I really wish they would come out for Windows phone 8 before March 2013 (that is when my contract is up) I really would like to get a Lumia 920.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

When I discover that an app I'm interested in is not yet available for Windows Phone I contact the BUSINESS or PUBLISHER (Starbucks, Square in your example) and specifically ask the where and when I'll be able to get the Windows Phone version.

If you want to see your favorite application for Windows Phone, make sure the people pushing the app know it! :^)

Maelstrom
on Nov 10, 2012

I've reached the same conclusion as you, Paul. That being said, what has been true so far with WP7.5 may change with the synergies coming from Windows 8. Indeed, not only will customers see similarities in terms of UI and UX between the two OS's but this will probably also entice developers to, well, develop apps—and promote them—for WP8.
These days, it is both easily to port apps from the other two main mobile platforms but even more so between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. There, for a relatively limited added cost, developers will easily reach customers in the whole ecosystem by coding for both Microsoft platforms at once which share the same kernel and use similar API’s. It seems clear that's what Microsoft has in mind. Will they succeed? That's not sure yet. But I do think it will also depend on how successful Windows 8 will be.

Rev
on Nov 10, 2012

I think you're right about this. I had never realized it before. I think what could be done is Microsoft reaching out to corporate chains to get them to develop Windows Phone apps as well.

ian.berg
on Nov 10, 2012

Yes print ads currently out there reinforce the notion that WP does not matter. MS is playing catch-up & the future is uncertain for WP. I've used a discount Lumia 710 since June but could have just as easily gone for an iPhone 4S or a discount Android back then.

industry86
on Nov 10, 2012

Saw an ad for the Windows Phone CNN app on its channel last Tuesday. It followed the iPad app ad, but the commercial for the WP ad was solely for the WP app using a Lumia 900.
it was quite well done.

ariesdog
on Nov 10, 2012

Exactly! This happens even when there is a Windows Phone app. Bank of America recently had a TV commercial for their app. At the end your see the iOS and Android logos. I literally yelled at the TV screen that there's a Windows Phone version too.

chilero
on Nov 10, 2012

I think it might be time, as consumers, to go directly to these companies and request apps. At the very least it'll make them realize that there are some clients who want access to those services. Let them know that WP users actually exist.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Alex Alexzander
on Nov 10, 2012

Microsoft could put Windows tiles in halo such that when you want to do anything like read a computer screen or open a door it looks like Metro. Get people used to seeing the interface like they are doing with MSN.

make a halo app for Windows phone that offers clues for the game and knows when you need them because your Xbox tells the app where you and what troubles you.

in short, they need to sit down and think of all the ways that they can leverage what they have to promote windows phone to the masses.

they have windows, the most used is on the planet. They have Xbox the most used game platform. They have Skype, the most used VoIP platform. This should be easy.

FinsUpDNC
on Nov 10, 2012

I think there are enough apps that if other things were in order the phones would take off. The biggest issue (at least in US) is carrier support. The biggest thing android had going for it when it started to take off was the fact that the iPhone was only on ATT. Verizon with Google and Moto spent a lot of money on their dorid campaign. While those phones were not great, a lot of Verizon customers went in to the stores and were told they were same as the iPhones. Then you saw the android numbers spike on all non-att carriers to the point where we are today. Now Windows phone does not have any carrier that is trying to push those phones to the customers. If someone comes in with cash for an iphone or galaxy, what reason does a salesperson have to push them to toward a win phone?

eblonk10
on Nov 10, 2012

It is the biggest problem. It effectively is iOS and Android advertising in a way the companies themselves can't do it. Most of these apps will never be used as they are from the restaurant down the street. But the names and logos are there. Everywhere.

JohnCz
on Nov 10, 2012

While you are correct to point out the indirect advertising other platforms receive, I don't see it as some futile case as others might. To combat this, Microsoft needs a team dedicated to maintaining and recruiting from a master list of companies that don't advertise their platform along with others or don't have a Windows Phone app at all. I'm not kidding, they should have folks who review retail circulars, listen to TV & radio ads and then make strategic investments. With such a effort, I think a realistic first year goal would be to overtake Blackberry. Thats not a high bar perhaps, but it is a start.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

According to industry analyst firm IDC, use of Wondows Phone will equal that of iOS within 3 years.

Market Share in 2015:

Android = 50%
iOS = 20%
Windows Phone = 20%
Blackberry = 5%
All Others = 5%

I'm guessing that the adaption of Windows 8 PC's may even speed things up.

phatboy66
on Nov 10, 2012

I absolutely agree with Paul on this one. The exposure of Windows Phone globally is small. Ads on TV will get them recognition and boost sales in the short term but it won't create mass adoption of the OS.

A good example of how popular apps are really important: My brother's girlfriend, 18, wanted a new smartphone and already had a Ipod touch so didn't really want an Iphone. I had to suggest her to get an HTC One S because I knew she wouldnt like the ecosystem of a pink Lumia 800. This phone would have been perfect for her IF it had the REAL Instagram, which she needed, to share photos with her friends. This is a big problem for Microsoft.

AllRaj
on Nov 10, 2012

MS could have started fixing this by releasing the WP8 SDK to anyone and everyone rather than keeping it for a tight little group only.

I do agree with this idea to some degree, but I don't think it is the whole picture. I also think people have created a mental link with Microsoft and work. They use Office all day and Windows on their work PC etc.

It also doesn't help that they have kept the 'Windows' brand for their phone. From all accounts the mobile OS prior to WP7x was a dog. I never used it myself so can only offer what I have heard/read. This has to carry over in people's minds.

So, it wont sync with desktop Outlook and allow users to click and drag files to the phone: Business users don't want it. Consumers use MS product at work and think it's a business product.

MS is caught in no mans land here.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

@AllRaj
I know you think what you are saying is true, but two of your statements are not quite on target.

WP8 SDK:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516.aspx

Sync with Outlook:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2459660

Hope you the new information will help you escape "no man's land". ;^)

Mathis Linde
on Nov 10, 2012

"Five stars"

thundr35
on Nov 10, 2012

I think Paul is forgetting the most important reason for all of this: Microsoft was incredibly late to this market. Had MS put something out after the Iphone it wouldn't be this way. But they waited too long, only NOW are we getting devices that are comparable to the other systems. Essentially, WP7 was a 'day late dollar short' deal. I honestly believe the only chance WP8 has is providing an alternative to those who want a change from IOS/Android and a great match with Windows 8.

ejlee072006
on Nov 10, 2012

Paul I agree with everything you observed..
MSFT knew all this you complain about..wp will eventually catch up,it will never surpass ios,android but it will play a major 3rd place in the mobile industry around the world...people will eventually take notice and will like a WP,with great hardware design flawless os and continued support by carriers it will be worth talking about..
Be patient Rome wasn't build yesterday

WayneRobinson
on Nov 10, 2012

Thundr... spot on. There's a whole world of people out there waiting for an alternative to ios and Google. Also there was a very interesting development this week that I'm surprised has received no attention: Angry Birds Star Wars was released simultaneously on all platforms. Surely an 'historical' moment - certainly a first for Windows.

Marty
on Nov 10, 2012

I totally agree with this. But the funniest (and most annoying) thing about it is that I don't think people even find value in these types of advertisements. They do more to promote iOS and Android than they do to promote whatever particular app they're trying to push. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Linden
on Nov 10, 2012

MS should market WP as the smart phone that's smart the moment you get it. No additional purchase necessary. Sure we have over 120,000 apps, but we don't need apps to be the most productive smart phone.
When I demonstrate my WP to friends I can go several minutes, have them thoroughly impressed, and then say "oh, and I haven't showed you any apps yet".

CondimentMan
on Nov 10, 2012

Totally agree Paul, and this is why (partially, the other is Sprint not giving me a choice) I'll likely be switching from WP to iOS for my next upgrade in January. I've seen those signs for the past few years, and many of the apps I don't care about, but occasionally I do and find it frustrating that Windows Phone is ignored.

My take on why this happens is WP is still the 3rd or 4th choice for developers. And by the time you've written an app 2 or 3 times already and cover ~90% of the market, why bother spending another month in development for another 5% of WP users?

I think WP will continue to struggle until a core of developers start designing apps for WP first. Hopefully WP8 being very close to Win8 will create this group to start targeting the phone. Until that happens, WP will continue to be a platform in search of a killer app.

PManPdx
on Nov 11, 2012

Actually, with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 Microsoft now has the only fully integrated operating systems available today. So developers can now develop one app that will run on a desktop, notebook, tablet and smart phone. That make's developing app's for Windows the largest market going.

They also provide free tools for easily porting app's from iOS to Windows Phone.

Check it:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/apps/br229512

The great thing about the Windows 8 ecosystem is you can develop an app for the PC an Mobile devices virtually simultaneously. In fact, with the largest Developer Community in the world, I'm guessing we'll see substantial growth of Windows Phone and Windows applications.

pthurrott
on Nov 11, 2012

To be clear, it's not possible to develop one app that runs on Windows PCs, tablets, and phone. There is code sharing, but phone is separate and is a different and separately developed app.

B52
on Nov 10, 2012

Paul, you are 100% right. And I don't think it's all that subconscious. These ads are everywhere, often for completely niche apps. But even my wife, who is ready and willing to get a Windows Phone now that Verizon is carrying decent WinPhones at long last, notices this. She'll say, "How come it's always iPhone and Android, never Windows Phone? How come I can't get Instagram? How come I can't get x, y or z?"

She asks about apps I can't believe anyone gives a darn about - but she notices the ads. It makes her take WinPhone less seriously. It makes her feel she's going to be missing out if she buys a HTC 8X. And I have to admit this also effects my willingness to proselytize for Windows Phone. I think it's the best phone OS out there, but I can't answer the question about why so many apps, inconsequential or not, are still MIA.

cpdjoe77
on Nov 10, 2012

Do not discount at&t. To this point Microsoft has placed many of their chips in this basket. I went yesterday to buy my Lumia 920 & the girl who was helping me had no idea what a "920" was. Mind u every employee had windows 8 blue t shirts on. I walked her to the Nokia 920 & she looked at it and was like oh that's a windows phone and immediately was getting ready to try and push me to apple or android. I had to cut her off and insist on the 920. She then went and got one and had no idea they came in different colors, I had to point that out to her as well. She then again tried to steer ke away to apple or android. So, my point is if at&t, exclusively selling a flagship phone still hasn't embraced this platform, or in some cases know anything other than its existence about it, its dead upon arrival. The only people buying the phone will be people going in knowing what they want, and apparently in some cases have to insist they know what they want

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