Windows Phone Team: This is No Way to Treat Early Adopters

Once seen as a nice gesture, Windows Phone 7.8 is now seen for what it is

When Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7.8 in June, I knew it was too good to be true. At the time, it seemed like Microsoft was throwing a bone to disappointed early adopters who would not be able to upgrade their existing handsets to Windows Phone 8. Today, it just seems like a slap in the face.

Windows Phone 7.8 was announced at the tail end of the Windows Phone Summit in June, the event at which Microsoft launched Windows Phone 8. This latter new system, which is now being delivered on new handsets around the world, is incompatible with WP 7.x because it uses the Windows 8/NT platform, not the old Windows CE platform. And Microsoft explained, somewhat convincingly, that WP 8 would require advanced new hardware—dual core processors, most importantly—that simply weren’t present on WP 7.x devices.

So Microsoft announced WP 7.8 too. This release, this mythical, never again mentioned release, would deliver the best and most obvious user experience benefit from WP 8 to existing WP 7.x handsets, the evolved Start screen with its more customizable tiles. And I can tell you after almost a month of using WP 8 handsets that this one feature really is most of the new WP 8 experience. It will be—would be—a huge benefit to existing users.

You know, if Microsoft ever delivered it.

Or, almost as egregiously, if Microsoft ever simply mentioned it again.

Understanding that the Windows Phone team had bought into the same ludicrous wall of secrecy policy that Steven Sinofsky foisted on the Windows team, I didn’t bother asking about Windows Phone 7.8 at all between the June announcement and the late October release of Windows Phone 8. I simply assumed that Microsoft would silently ship the WP 7.8 update, over the air, and to all Windows Phone 7.5 users, on or before the day that WP 8 shipped.

Nope.

So I asked at that time. And—yep, you guessed it—I received the big “no comment.” (At least they responded.)

Today, almost exactly one month after the Windows Phone 8 release and over 5 months after it was announced, Microsoft has never really publicly discussed Windows Phone 7.8 again nor has it hinted at when it might be released.

Microsoft, silence is no way to treat early adopters, the people who are your most loyal customers. It is the most disrespectful thing you can do, in fact. Combined with the weird and continued holes in your ecosystem strategy—the inability to get Xbox Video content on Windows Phone 8 as only one obvious example—it’s unclear to me why you think anyone should support you or your mobile platform.

“We care very deeply about our Windows Phone 7.5 customers,” Microsoft’s Terry Myerson said almost one hour and 45 minutes into the Windows Phone Summit event. (You can watch this tiny segment for yourself in the Windows Phone Summit video.) “Because of this, I’m happy to share that we are creating an update for our Windows Phone 7.5 customers.”

After five months of silence, it’s time to prove you really do care, deeply or otherwise. It’s time to open up. Post something. Discuss Windows Phone 7.8. Tell us when, and why it's taking so long. Something. Anything.

Discuss this Article 98

SteveCr48
on Nov 24, 2012

Gutsy post, Paul! No more WP event invites for you, if you keep putting customers first. Thanks for speaking up for US users :)

Nakazul
on Nov 25, 2012

Yes, I agree. Let's just hope they lisen. :'(

ian.berg
on Nov 24, 2012

I was a late adopter of BlackBerry & then a late adopter of WP7. This behavior by Microsoft encourages me to a be a late adopter of Android.

phatboy66
on Nov 24, 2012

It is indeed taking a really long time to get some news about WP 7.8 I really love the WP experience but if Microsoft continues this way, I may just switch platform and buy me a Nexus 4 soon. Still using a 1st Gen Samsung Focus.

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 24, 2012

Let's be realistic though... this only affects the Lumia line since it was such a late entry in the game and had the nerve to use the whole "Beta Test" theme.

Everyone else is generally upgrade eligible, and has already bought their WP8 device or soon will... or they made up their mind long ago to switch to another platform... or they just don't care about these so-called improvements until they have to go buy a phone.

The injustice here is minimal, I feel. In fact, I was surprised that they even announced a WP7.8 update at all.

The REAL injustice is the way they're handling the transition from Zune to Xbox. The music and videos experience is atrocious at best. I would prefer they announce app updates that bring feature parity (or at least a "fixed" Zune client) and announce a Video Pass.

bosshog
on Nov 24, 2012

I'm not sure when people began to believe that the phones they bought would continually evolve. My old compaq windows phones didn't get updated. Apple started this, and they also stopped updating the first and second Gen iphones. They don't have nearly the features or UI capabilities as the newest phones. Friends are still upset that their old crappy android mytouches don't have the latest os. Somehow tech pendants and people need to correct their mindset. When you buy a phone your getting what you have in your hand. Sure, we can hope for bug fixes and minor updates, but if you want the latest and greatest buy a new phone. If you don't like what's in your hand, don't buy it. I think its great that ms has even considered throwing wp7 people a bone. My compaqs surely aren't getting 7.8.

Ted T.
on Nov 24, 2012

"Apple started this, and they also stopped updating the first and second Gen iphones." ....
"When you buy a phone your getting what you have in your hand."

If we the consumers go into "please sir, may I have another" mode, than that may well be the result, but it doesn't have to be.

Yes, the original iPhone did stop being updated -- the final update iOS 3.1.3 -- almost 3 years after its original release iOS 1.0 release and almost 2 years after it stopped being sold. These updates didn't constitute "bug fixes and minor updates", they had an endless list of major features that completely transformed the iPhone: third party apps and the app store, Microsoft Exchange support, Copy & Paste, push notifications, support for dozens of new languages etc, etc. Except for its physical appearance it was hardly recognizable as the same phone.

And this was a much, much less powerful piece of hardware than the Lumias being put out to pasture less than a year after being released.

Apple made a lot of customers for life with the level of post sale support it has provided for the iPhone and many other products. Microsoft should have the same goal. Under-promise and over-deliver. Delight your customers. It isn't Microsoft's customers who "need to correct their mindset." Microsoft does.

bennett_cg
on Nov 26, 2012

People were upset enough at WP7 handsets for not being upgradeable to WP8, but the 7.8 update was promised as a way to soften that blow.

Now they are not delivering the 7.8 update, which makes the whole thing pretty suspect. Customers aren't being unrealistic or unreasonable to expect an update that was promised to them.

my misspent zune
on Nov 24, 2012

I was an early adopter of WP7 with the hope that Microsoft would eventually integrate the world of desktop, phone and tablets in a way no one else did. While my Focus was a perfectly serviceable phone, the vision never really came to reality and while WP8 is a step above, it is just not enough to sway me. My work just got rid of Blackberry's and I had my choice of Android or iOS. I chose the GS3 due to my use of Google services. After 2 years with the Focus I am now shopping for a new personal phone. It is most certain that my next choice will not be WP8. Just not enough there for my needs and wants. I am trying the Nexus 4 this week and have a hand me down Nexus 7 since the wife upgraded to the 10. I so wanted to see MS get this right just as I so wanted to love the Surface.

This article and the outlined issue is just another reason it is just not there yet. Like many companies, it is not concerned with the people who already purchased their previous products, they are only interested in those that are buying the next product. A little to short sighted in my opinion.

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 24, 2012

So let me get this straight... you got WP7 thinking that all your devices would be integrated somehow (they do but not quiet 100%, although they've gotten better with W8/WP8), but you primarily use Google services (not Microsoft), and somehow it's Microsoft's fault that your experience with Google hasn't somehow rewarded you with a top notch integrated experience? How is moving to Android going to help that situation?

Android, as pointed out by someone else, is the WORST of the bunch about updating old devices and while the devices are decent, you still can't integrate them with things without a very wide array of disjoined services.

I agree... it does seem short-sighted, but not quite the way you think.

Don't get me wrong, though, I do think Android is a better option than iOS.

my misspent zune
on Nov 25, 2012

No, not google but MS. How is the exchange stuff working out on WP by the way? Beyond Gmail for personal stuff, I wasn't really that into Google. Two years with WP7 however didn't really move the base line either.
It's a vision thing. I am probably one of the most system agnostic guy you will encounter as I am able to see value in most platforms. Add to that, I am not upset at MS for not updating my phone per se but there is various ways MS has dealt with things in the past, good and bad. One good experience was the Zune. I had picked up one of the original 30 gig Zunes and over its life span, MS continued to update it and improve it. Also with XP the various service packs. So I am not really quite off with my hope that this would be a platform that evolved and perhaps became more than what it initially was.

So in that regard I have had iOS devices. Still have a last gen touch that I use for testing Crestron docking stations that I install as part of my work and nothing else. Apple just really never did it for me. Fine platform is all you want is a bunch of apps but iTunes is way worse than the Zune software. So how has Apple evolved in so far as my needs? Siri? Not my thing. Now, much more interesting. WP? 2 years, didn't really evolve till WP8. Perhaps too little, too late for me.

Is Android the answer to everything? Certainly not but the Nexus I've been using with a variety of services including non-google services seems to implemented better and seems to serve my needs. The Nexus certainly is trying to address the issue of keeping the platform up to date. By everyone's thinking, I should begin to feel like my laptop should just become a disposable device as well. Modern phones are computers and it is after all, just hardware and if it can keep up, the idea that carrier's or MS won't update them seems anti-consumer and only serving their own need to make sale after sale.

No platform has achieved what I envision or even what many have sometimes claimed but things are certainly getting better.

When a platform gives me the same experience and is synced through all devices without me having to jump through hoops, it will be there.

I would love to be able to download a song on my desktop PC and have it and all the metadata just appear on my phone, laptop and tablet. I have just loved most of the Zune experience but managing a library across devices has been a nightmare. I know there are now cloud based solutions but they are bandwidth dependent and that is rough on a guy like me that lives mainly on the road. When I can do something on one device and it is available to me on all devices, I am all in. For now, it is just a patch work and a lot of effort on every platform. It just shouldn't be this much work and while MS is somewhat late to the game, I had hoped that their size and level of ability to mass resources would have yielded a better result that we have right now.

Meanwhile, I am still waiting.

omgbobbyg
on Nov 24, 2012

For a company that normally bends over backwards to the Gods of backward compatibility, the shaft given to WP 7.5 users is shocking. We were the ones who took a chance on WP 7 when it had a market share of 0%. We evangelized WP 7 to friends and stood strong amidst the currents of Android and iOS users. At the very least can we get a t-shirt or an Ohio bag?!

MaryLV
on Nov 24, 2012

I am an early adopter - W7 phone first day, SurfaceRT first day and now W8 first day that it was available at AT&T. Newpaper yesterday almost a full page AT&T ad for Windows Phones. You guessed it $50.00 less than I paid for my Lumia 920. They get an exclusive from Microsoft and I get dinged for being an early adopter. I am really angry.

reded23
on Nov 24, 2012

Call ATT, its them not MS. They gave me a $50 refund !

MaryLV
on Nov 24, 2012

Just went in and they said I was one day over having the phone 14 days so there was nothing they could do.

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 24, 2012

You should take the advice given and CALL AT&T. I bought mine by preorder and got my $50 no problem. :)

Pmiddy
on Nov 24, 2012

Does ATT offer a 30 day refund policy, where if you are not satisfied with your phone or service you can get a refund? I believe they do and maybe you should go this route if they are nitpicking over 1 day over.

MaryLV
on Nov 25, 2012

I did call AT&T but got nowhere. Then went into the store where I bought the phone and still got nowhere. I got my son to call AT&T and guess what - they told him they would refund the $50 in the ad and refund me the $35 ???upgrade?? fee. I am very happy but I would think that Microsoft would put some pressure on AT&T to treat early adopters much better while they still hold the exclusive. By the way their excuse for not matching the ad was because I was 2 days over their 14 day price matching policy. I guess I should never be an early adopter and get the new products as soon as possible.

zorb58
on Nov 24, 2012

Even if 7.8 comes to all existing handsets, I fully expect carriers to "block" it or what not. If/when it is released to everyone at some point, I would then expect it to be incompatible with my HTC Trophy because it's a first gen device (If I remember correctly... As a Verizon customer it was my only option even if I did buy it after Mango). I'm expecting the *absolute* worst and not getting my hopes up haha

marbla
on Nov 24, 2012

It's not like they are talking a lot about their plans for wp8 either. And about the Xbox stuff, add missing podcast support anywhere outside the US to that which I find even more disturbing than the missing video.

QMuzikDirektor
on Nov 24, 2012

According to Microsoft Greater China's veep, 7.8 is coming "in the next few weeks" to the Chinese market. Now, where did I put my passport ...

tiyalolit
on Nov 24, 2012

Yes indeed. I was an early adapter and this silence from Microsoft is unacceptable. Thanks for looking out for our interests. I have the Lumia 920 now and really love it. I paid $50 more than I could have with the new price of $50. I got my Lumia 900 for free, so it is a wash. Now I have the 920 for myself and 900 for my wife.

sunco
on Nov 24, 2012

7.5 users understand about not having WP 8, it's ok. Now, I read that LG Optimus 7 will never have the 7.8 :S

garymoncrieff
on Nov 24, 2012

I am beginning to wonder about all this too, WPCentral has posted some rumours lately of leaked Nokia slides but with nothing concrete it's hard to know.

sunco
on Nov 24, 2012

On 7.8 preview article, you said "Windows Phone 7.8 will be delivered directly to all Windows Phone users, bypassing the carriers. You will be able to download and install Windows Phone 7.8 over Wi-Fi, at home or wherever else, and install this update"

It's that still true?

roncerr
on Nov 24, 2012

In the same paragraph Paul said "...Microsoft jokingly calls this 'the Paul Thurrott feature' internally." Apparently, Paul doesn't read his own articles. More amazing is his forgetting about the feature named after himself! To be fair, he may have looked in to it and found there was still no update available for download.

kabe
on Nov 24, 2012

Good news... China will get it first! Yay?

micsy
on Nov 24, 2012

For me the biggest problem by far is the silence on the update, I've seen a lot of negative press about wp7 not getting wp8 that is doing nothing to help the brand, and from my point of view its completely unjustified. My partner got a Samsung Galaxy s2, 6 months after I bought my windows phone, when it was still the flagship android phone, she has not received one single update, not a security or a bug fix, he phone is still running an early version of 2.3, there is not one technical reason for this. I understand why windows phone 8 can't happen, 7.8 sounded fantastic, the one time they mentioned it, that's the what I have a problem with.

epobirs
on Nov 25, 2012

What carrier is your partner's phone on? I thought T-Mobile US was the last company on the planet to deliver ICS to the S2 but that was several months ago.

bryan siegel
on Nov 24, 2012

I bought into the windows phone ecosystem for my son. Before windows phone I used to jailbreak the iPhone on Tmobile and remove the ability to use 3g data and only use WiFi. But my son was turning into a teenager and he loves his Xbox so I decided to buy him a lumnia 710 with data because of a. Xbox and b. updates. This combined with the hard time that I had putting parental controls on the phone has pushed me away from windows phone as the OS for my kids.

JimmyFal
on Nov 24, 2012

"I simply assumed that Microsoft would silently ship the WP 7.8 update, over the air, and to all Windows Phone 7.5 users, on or before the day that WP 8 shipped."

Me too. And even though I have my W8 device, a LOT of the folks I talked into the WinPho7 platform are not as aware as I am at the total lack of respect that is going on. Thanks for highlighting this, MS needs some of this stuff right back at them.

GoodThings2Life
on Nov 24, 2012

But they never said that, and even Paul wrote at the time it would be later than WP8.

geeko
on Nov 24, 2012

According to MS WP chief Finland, the 7.8 release will roll out "within a few days time"; supposedly, also, it was postponed due to "people's not confusing WP 8 and 7.8." It will be a gradual, controlled roll out where the update will be first made available to Lumia devices in Scandinavia and then elsewhere (in case no major bugs are unearthed, or so one can read between the lines.)

Nokia is now selling the heavily-discounted Lumia 800's and 610's at a faster rate thna at any point since their release in Europe. MS had better think of how to continue WP 7's life span. These new buyers are only getting it now and they'll be living with it the next 12 or 24 months.

It tells quite a bit of MS's lack of understanding of the mobile phone industry that they never planned an inexpensive WP 8 version or a continuation for WP 7, but rather naively thought they could just kill WP 7 and have their partners only sell ultra expensive WP 8 hardware. They just don't hvae a clue on how the industry works and how money is made in it.

mmaestro
on Nov 24, 2012

This is why I'm ditching Windows Phone. I bought a Lumia believing that there was no way Microsoft would sell out owners of a phone they were pushing so hard, especially as one of the things they were attacking Android for was the inconsistency of updates. Well, more fool me. Back to Android I go: if I buy a Nexus 4 at least I can count on Google to keep my phone up to date for a year or more. That's apparently better than I can expect Microsoft to treat it's customers.

kanderson
on Nov 24, 2012

Since when has WP7.8 rendered current phones useless? If you've been using WP fine now, waiting for WP7.8 should seem like a non issue. If this update was suppose to fix bugs, performance issues or better optimize the OS, then I could agree with the overwhelming since of entitlement about this.

It seems like people on blogs, comment sections and websites are yammering for an update that does none of this.

Paul has even admitted that the only real significant item you can see is the start screen.

So it would seem that begging for an update to an OS that is already fine tuned, optimized and has stellar performance is begging for begging sake to me.

I own a Lumia 900, and yes the new update will be very welcomed but not required for me to utilize the phone the same way I've been using since April.

Perhaps I just don't understand.

geeko
on Nov 24, 2012

There are, of course, plenty of bugs in WP 7.5 (in addition to all the missing basic features that make it the beta-level OS it was always meant to be.)

So 7.8 is very welcome, as there is -- there has to be -- hope that it fixes even some 7.5 bugs.

armenhamer
on Nov 24, 2012

Was reminded once again of the WP update situation today while trying to send a text and continually watching the keyboard on my Focus disappear. Still don't know why the Tango update never came. I really like this platform but have to admit I prefer how Apple treats it's user's. Although users may not receive every feature, Apple at least sends out regular updates. Honestly, even though updates are now over the air, I'm not confident that WP8 users will see those either. Perhaps its time to give another platform a shot until MS can actually deliver for its customers.

17thMustang
on Nov 24, 2012

Having had the Lumia 800 a year now, and people still thinking its a 'new' phone. I have been so far happy with it, and I feel the marketplace etc is no different to any other. Nokia, I feel do look after it customers with some cracking updates in their apps. 7.8 is taking a long time to come to the market, definitely a case of 'Get on with it!'.

I do wish the OS had more colours and the custom tile resizing looks cool. Compared with the dull IOS6 and the confusing Android system, WP is so easy to get around. As someone half way through a contract that is renewed every 2 years, and that 7.5 apps will run under 8, I am not really upset. Though a 920 would be nice...

Wambie
on Nov 24, 2012

The silence is a bit of a dick move but completely understandable. As you pointed out in your article the user experience is largely the difference the user will notice between windows 7.x and 8 and to roll out the update at the same time as launch of the 8 platform will muddy the waters. They want/need the early adopters to switch to 8 and not to stay with 7.8 to help start the momentum of new platform. Also with such cheap 7.x phones new users may be swayed to the older much cheaper phones that look exactly the same. The differences other than the user interface may be a hard sell unless someone specifically wants Skype or has to have a better camera then its not all that compelling to upgrade.

I am very interested in Nokia Lumia 920 or HTC 8x however both have their failings. As flagship phones they should both come with memory card slots that allow us to beef up the phones storage as much as we like. I don't use my phone a lot and only have a PAYG plan with no data so I am limited to WIFI hotspots and am hoping my iPad Mini 4G (on the way) will fill that gap. To me a phone is now becoming a phone again now that 7" devices are breaking through and I will be happy to have one with my contacts and long battery life. At first they never thought consumers would take to the larger phones but they were wrong. We will see a lot of people carrying iPad Mini/Nexus 7 and a phone and as such the Windows Phone 7 with the 7.8 update may be enough for a lot of existing 7.x users.

tarbuck
on Nov 24, 2012

Do you seriously believe MS is pulling the plug on 7.8? With Nokia actively making new WP7 handsets for emerging markets and the price-sensitive, this seems totally implausible to me.

To me it's obvious MS want to give WP8 a clear run for a while before making 7.8 available. I don't see what's wrong with that, awareness of WP8 for the average customer is hard enough to secure without muddying the picture with 2 different options.

So what it comes down to is you're just moaning about the secrecy. The simple reality is, more secrecy means less opportunity for competitors to make disrupting moves. Everybody tried to drown out MS with announcements either on the same day or within days of the W8 and WP8 launch events. If these events had been signalled months in advance, you can bet the competing announcements would have been way more compelling. Unfortunately MS has to be more like Apple (i.e. more evil) to survive.

pthurrott
on Nov 24, 2012

Two things.

No one said they're pulling the plug.

Don't dismiss a valid complaint by calling it "moaning." Announcing something and then not delivering it isn't right, especially since this is the update that was supposed to appease WP 7.x users about their inability to upgrade to WP8.

tarbuck
on Nov 25, 2012

Pulling the plug...hmm, I must have read that in a comment or some other site. Please ignore.

I don't know what degree of influence you have with MS, but if I wrote on my blog that I want a 7.8 timeline and I want it now, it would be in the full knowledge that it would make no noticeable impact on the situation because MS are trying to take a leaf out of Apple's execution style, and anyway the practice of not announcing release dates goes back to the beginning of product commercialisation for reasons including nullifying competitors, preventing litigation and simply avoiding hard conversations about delays. So it would be fair to call it "moaning".

Here's hoping you have more mojo than me.

Figatellu
on Nov 24, 2012

Worst : I own a WP7 device (Samsung Omnia7) since december 2010 ans I ordered a Surface RT on the first date. I love both of these devices, and since two Yeats, I m a sort of Metro ambassador for my friends. They can have seen there was an entire sm artphone life out of iPhones or Android. Now they are interrested into my Surface. It's a Nice Tablet, really... But when the question is to sync music or photo or anything between Surface and WP7 (actually my device is 7.5 Mango) : no way...
What ? Yes... You can plug a lot of devices on your RT Tablet, except a WP7 device. D'une is working right fois on x86 Windows 8 but you can't install it on RT... Ans the recent WP app from Windows Store doesn't recognize any WP7 device. Sure I could get a new WP8 (I really love any Metro device) device but my WP7 one still working very well and I just buy a 700€ Surface, so I rather wait a few month before a next device.
My friends are dispointed, so do I...

Nakazul
on Nov 25, 2012

I get what you are saying, and I dare not to speak up again. I sailed the word to mouth sea with the optimistic dream of a better phone, and with the WP8 dust is now settling i have made some friends disappointed and I find my self question my move to MSFT eco system.
Its not all doom and gloom, but the way there shaping the best looking OS ever made, its not a gentle or kind OR productive way, but who am I t know, I am just a consumer. So remind me, why didn't I buy a iPhone again?

Waethorn
on Nov 24, 2012

I'm not sure I really care about this. I have a WP7.5 phone but I'm thinking about just getting a data plan with a pocket mobile router and switching to Skype when my contract ends next year. I can use any device then, including a Windows RT device in my backpack with a Bluetooth earpiece.

whiplash55
on Nov 24, 2012

Been doing this with my Nexus 7 for the last 3 months. Works great when you have a solid connection, but while your phone would work with 1 bar you need at least 3 bars +3G or 4G for Skype to be reliable in my experience.

tbsteph
on Nov 24, 2012

I agree, Microsoft made a commitment and has not fulfilled same.

The bad news is almost all tech companies fail to support earlier adopters - Microsoft, Apple, Amazon and Google included. I left Microsoft as my primary platform about 6 years ago because of the continuous ineptitude and apparent attitude that customers are a secondary consideration. Laughably I soon found Apple barely cares more for its customers. (If any platform has more planned obsolesce than Apple, I've yet to find them.).

dregourd
on Nov 24, 2012

It is really an "annus horribilis" for Microsoft. Everything is going wrong. The relationship with faithful customers (like me) is broken. Their PC system is wrong, same for tablets and phones. We cannot trust them anymore, having been cheated on these three formats. Android is the new Windows, and Microsoft is the new Blackberry.

geeko
on Nov 24, 2012

That is one heck of a summarization. +1

Daelen
on Nov 24, 2012

Just read that my Optimus 7 won't be getting the 7.8 update at all.

I also have a Nexus S (that has had updates from Gingerbread 2.3 to Jellybean 4.1.2).

Both of the phones were released in late 2010 and quite frankly I expected the Windows phone to get far longer update support than the Android phone but that appears not to be the case.

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