Windows Phone Team: This is No Way to Treat Early Adopters

Once seen as a nice gesture, Windows Phone 7.8 is now seen for what it is

When Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7.8 in June, I knew it was too good to be true. At the time, it seemed like Microsoft was throwing a bone to disappointed early adopters who would not be able to upgrade their existing handsets to Windows Phone 8. Today, it just seems like a slap in the face.

Windows Phone 7.8 was announced at the tail end of the Windows Phone Summit in June, the event at which Microsoft launched Windows Phone 8. This latter new system, which is now being delivered on new handsets around the world, is incompatible with WP 7.x because it uses the Windows 8/NT platform, not the old Windows CE platform. And Microsoft explained, somewhat convincingly, that WP 8 would require advanced new hardware—dual core processors, most importantly—that simply weren’t present on WP 7.x devices.

So Microsoft announced WP 7.8 too. This release, this mythical, never again mentioned release, would deliver the best and most obvious user experience benefit from WP 8 to existing WP 7.x handsets, the evolved Start screen with its more customizable tiles. And I can tell you after almost a month of using WP 8 handsets that this one feature really is most of the new WP 8 experience. It will be—would be—a huge benefit to existing users.

You know, if Microsoft ever delivered it.

Or, almost as egregiously, if Microsoft ever simply mentioned it again.

Understanding that the Windows Phone team had bought into the same ludicrous wall of secrecy policy that Steven Sinofsky foisted on the Windows team, I didn’t bother asking about Windows Phone 7.8 at all between the June announcement and the late October release of Windows Phone 8. I simply assumed that Microsoft would silently ship the WP 7.8 update, over the air, and to all Windows Phone 7.5 users, on or before the day that WP 8 shipped.

Nope.

So I asked at that time. And—yep, you guessed it—I received the big “no comment.” (At least they responded.)

Today, almost exactly one month after the Windows Phone 8 release and over 5 months after it was announced, Microsoft has never really publicly discussed Windows Phone 7.8 again nor has it hinted at when it might be released.

Microsoft, silence is no way to treat early adopters, the people who are your most loyal customers. It is the most disrespectful thing you can do, in fact. Combined with the weird and continued holes in your ecosystem strategy—the inability to get Xbox Video content on Windows Phone 8 as only one obvious example—it’s unclear to me why you think anyone should support you or your mobile platform.

“We care very deeply about our Windows Phone 7.5 customers,” Microsoft’s Terry Myerson said almost one hour and 45 minutes into the Windows Phone Summit event. (You can watch this tiny segment for yourself in the Windows Phone Summit video.) “Because of this, I’m happy to share that we are creating an update for our Windows Phone 7.5 customers.”

After five months of silence, it’s time to prove you really do care, deeply or otherwise. It’s time to open up. Post something. Discuss Windows Phone 7.8. Tell us when, and why it's taking so long. Something. Anything.

Discuss this Article 98

Will13k7
on Nov 24, 2012

In my opinion wp7.5 is perfectly usable and after using the new wp8 tile-screen for a while, although better, it really isn't a ground breaking difference. The new-car-smell wears off quickly. I'm sure the early adopters/enthusiasts who can and still prefer the wp interface have already jumped to wp8. It seems like sticking with wp7.5 or 7.8 won't be ideal in terms of getting the new apps, which is more of a reason to upgrade than just the tile-screen. Speaking of aps, the last app that wp8 does not have that is most annoying to me is flipboard... it would be nice if MS got these guys on board.

mlekas
on Nov 24, 2012

The Lumia 510 launch in China is imminent. Reports on the Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/24/3685086/windows-phone-7-8-china-launch) wpcentral (http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-78-and-nokia-lumia-510-get-demons...) confirm this. The WP Central page has a link to a video.

So I guess the complaint isn't that Microsoft won't release a 7.8 update, but that Microsoft isn't communicating the schedule or plans for 7.8 (at least in the US). Is that basically it?

BillG
on Nov 24, 2012

Verizon has repeatedly given poor treatment to WP.

I do a an HTC Trophy, which has been great. WP will NOT make it unless there are compelling reasons not to use iPhone Android.....

This is just one more nail MSFT has put in the coffin....

Justin M Salvato
on Nov 24, 2012

Call me a sell out, but I would think most early adopters have moved on to Windows Phone 8 or in the process as it's been 2 years since the release of Windows Phone 7. As someone else has pointed out, the only ones who should be upset by this are those who bought Nokia Lumia phones, especially the 900 as it was only out for a few months before WP8 got announced.

However, please fix the issues with Xbox video and podcasts on WP8. I'm still using my Dell Venue Pro but by the time I get a WP8 handset, I expect those issues to be fixed.

Rallicat
on Nov 24, 2012

The momentum is just not being built ... along comes WP8 and sure it has a new UI makeover and a few other features, but ... it's a bit light. Can we expect more in the coming months? You'd hope so ... but I don't count on it.

I have a Lumina, and I feel let down. Sure I may get 7.8 at some point, but already there's new apps coming out for WP8 only, and I feel like I'm being left behind with little more than a token gesture.

sylar
on Nov 24, 2012

I've owned a Nokia Lumia 900 for nearly a year now and I have been very happy with it and love the windows phone experience. I am very much looking forward to the 7.8 upgrade but agree that Microsoft needs keep its loyal users in the loop as to what is happening with it.

Casho
on Nov 24, 2012

It is these types of posts that keep me coming back to WinSuperSite. I don't care if Paul ever gets invited to another Microsoft event again or is completely ostracized by Microsoft. All I care about that there is someone out there who is prepared to speak there mind in support of users. Well Done Paul.

raghavny80
on Nov 24, 2012

Thanks Paul, for speaking up for all of us. I am a Lumia 900 owner and it is the lack of communication (not the actual delay) from MS about WP 7.8 that is really upsetting me.
Microsoft's record is a fail when compared with Apple iPhone and Google Nexus Devices. Microsoft is indeed not competitive enough and should just exit the Mobile Devices market in order to not screw early adopters any further.

Alses
on Nov 25, 2012

As every phone rumor starts: I was at this bar, and this Microsoft guy was drunk (as was I). He said that besides the WP 7.8 update, more nice things are coming to us 7.x-folks in the spring. That's all I know. :-)

dregourd
on Nov 26, 2012

I have been waiting for two years, now! The next big think is always for the next year, never for now. It is like a disneyland attraction: they say you have to wait 60 minutes and when you reach the attraction, they say it is broken. WP = Waiting Permit

jeremye
on Nov 25, 2012

It's funny that you made this article. Just a few days ago I saw on wmpoweruser that LG would not be upgrading any of it's phones to 7.8. I have an LQ Quantum from ATT. Due to the fact that ATT blocks all the updates my phone has a really old version of 7.5 with the annoying keyboard bug. After a sentence or two of typing they keyboard continously closes after only a few characters over and over again making it impossible to use. I paid around $528 for this phone on Amazon day one release. Being a student, developer, and user I feel pretty burned by Microsoft. They promised many things with Windows Phone and in the end it was all smoke and mirrors. Promising not to be like Android and allow the carriers to block updates and so on, yet this is exactly what happened. I have actually boxed my phone in it's original packing and will be mailing it to Microsoft. They can keep it. I will use something else even if it isn't as good based on how Microsoft has treated me and other early adopters. It's a shame too because this phone could win the war but i'm not so sure it can win in the hands of Microsoft.

Rudy Grayson
on Nov 25, 2012

I don't think WP7.8 will ever see the light of day here in the US and I don't think the blame lies with MSFT. Rather, their main partners Nokia and HTC likely informed MS that they would block any upgrades on Win7.x devices. No doubt, they'd rather have them upgrade to a new WP8 phone.

dregourd
on Nov 26, 2012

They promised 7.8 to let you wait peacefully until now. Now they let you wait again because they hope you are so faithful to Microsoft that you will order a flagship phone with WP8. But what if WP8 is also a dead-end? after all, nobody can tell what will happen, and the next WP9 may be totally incompatible (new hardwares, etc.). Anyway 7.8 is a kind of fake, not much more than the WP8 app we can find in the Marketplace...

Figatellu
on Nov 25, 2012

Paul, can you confirm that there is actually no way to sync (I mean manage data) a WP7.5 with a RT Surface ? (zune is only x86 and WP app from WindowsStore only WP8)
The Surface position is to be a hybrid devices, so it seems logic to sync smartphone stuff with, no ?

pthurrott
on Nov 25, 2012

There is no way to sync any Windows Phone 7.x handset (or Zune device) with Windows RT.

Nakazul
on Nov 25, 2012

It would seem like the people at Microsoft are running around and asking each other what to do, and nobody really know. What is the long term vision of WP? Do they know where they want to be and why. Been waiting for all new MSFT products this fall and nothing of it really seems ready for launch. They have had me fooled with WP7, to think WP8 would be the "it", only to find out video and fm radio is gone? Why keep removing feat? The idea with next generation is that its supposed to get better, and god forbid, more advanced/complete. It seem currently that a WP7 device might be a better choice with a 7.8 update if you can live without the apps...wish you shouldn't. I will keep observe this mess for a while longer and maybe, just maybe jump the ship. So far im not convinced why I should get a WP8 device at all.

Maelstrom
on Nov 25, 2012

Why would Microsoft actually talk about 7.8 before it's released?
They did say it would come after Windows Phone 8 and from a marketing standpoint, it would be silly to release that update before the end of Christmas season! In fact, it wouldn't be that smart to mix the message talking about 7.8 when you're trying to sell Windows Phone 8.

Now, last I heard, 7.8 has been RTM and some more credible materials have leaked through WPCentral just a couple of days ago. So, the question wouldn't be about if 7.8 would be released but when.

rainking430
on Nov 25, 2012

Not sure how this is any different then the fractured Android universe? So many different phones running different versions, without hope of updates or uniformity across most devices. I remember getting my Galaxy S II and wondering when the heck we were going to get ICS. All the big dogs were completely mum about it, and then it came. Now they say there will be no upgrading to 4.1 or 4.2, whereas the GS3 gets both. In such light I would argue that Microsoft's methods are actually better than Android.

pthurrott
on Nov 25, 2012

It's not even remotely similar.

Microsoft announced in June, publicly and on the record, that Windows Phone 7.8 was "an update for [its] Windows Phone 7.x customers," and that 7.8 would add what it considered to me the "marquee" WP 8 feature: The new Start screen.

That's why it's different: Google and its Android partners have never made upgrade promises of any kind, let alone anything so specific.

rainking430
on Nov 26, 2012

I beg to differ. Samsung had actually issued an ICS upgrade schedule for their phones. All had dates of release, except for my T989 SG2, which was listed as "coming soon". Then there was nothing but waiting and useless speculation. Sound familiar now? It took several weeks with no confirmation, but it came.

And so it is with 7.8. In fact, be glad you got a promise. Just today there has been a post on Techradar that says that several sources are confirming a release within a few days, and one saying the 28th. And MS NEVER issued a retraction for the comments made about 7.8 coming, which one would think they would do if it was untrue.

All said, after experiencing the severe fracturing of Android, I actually envy WP users. Looks to me like MS is being much more organized about their OS updates.

And anyone who is thinking about leaving WP for Android because they are disgruntled about not being able to upgrade their year old devices to WP8 should really rethink that so they don't end up in a familiar situation when the GS4 comes out and they can't upgrade their GS3 to the next OS version. That's what happened to me with my GS2.

pjs37
on Nov 25, 2012

I am glad to see someone in the press is willing to call out MS on this ridiculousness. I am disappointed in the legion of WP users who sit there and think this whole thing has been acceptable when the competitor they are clearly going after (Apple) has a solid and visible update path for their devices. The scary thing is that Apple is MORE transparent then Microsoft is these days and MS is so opaque it is driving their loyal fans and people who cover them away from the company. Hopefully once they finish this "restructuring" they are clearly going to have to do they will get their head on straight.

Ron H
on Nov 25, 2012

In Canada, the contract terms are generally 3 years... my early upgrade date is late April. I would be able to get a new phone but would pay a bit more.

The 7.8 upgrade is more of a big deal for us in Canada (at least for me and the 3 other people I know who have Windows phone!)

geeko
on Nov 25, 2012

It is quite telling of how badly MS's mobiltiy strategy is failing that the only people I know who bought a WP 7 handset (my brother and his wife) this very weekend got themselves iPhones (4S and 5 respectively.) at the full SIM-free price. They had nothing but good things to say about the Lumia hardware they had, but the stagnated WP platform got the better of them. Lack of apps and the updates that did not fix broken features but only added nonsense stuff (Tango), and the update that never shall be (7.8) proved to be the "killer" features.

I am sure they are not alone amongst the handful of people owning a WP device that are now jumping ship -- exactly what MS needs, of course, or wait, no? Even the officially-dead Symbian platform has gotten better support during the past 12 months than WP, having been improved on a regular basis with performance tweaks, UI fine-tuning and even new features. Heck, Nokia Maps and MS Skydrvie are better on Symbian :) oh the irony of Elop's burning platform... this one is not even burning; it is cold and dead, a corpse.

How quickly could Balmer assemble a new WP team?

neonspark
on Nov 25, 2012

thanks for standing up for us.

I can already see what will happen:
Windows phone 9 will be another reboot, it will just be windows 9 on a phone form factor.

I feel bad for the devs, I myself am a dev. Following MSFT down every rat hole....WPF, Silverlight, windows phone 7. Now winRT? Countless hours learning tech and all for what? Toss it away with every failed product they come up with.

I'm done following MSFT. When was the last time they backed their technologies for more than a few years? I certainly can't recall. It was probably in the VB6 days, before .NET, which off course is now being made obsolete for no reason other than it doesn't align with their Apple mentality.

Everything about windows phone smells of death. I'm staying away of that platform until MSFT doesn't gain my trust back. And the windows phone 7.8 fiasco along with the killing of Silverlight is going to keep me away from their phone platform for a very very long time.

whosscruffylookin
on Nov 26, 2012

At least app devs can still target WP7.x and their apps will run on 8.x.

The situation is worse for mobile web developers (who already have a hard time building cross browser sites) as it looks like 7.8 will NOT include IE10. It's bad enough having to support the huge base of older Android phones (which have a brain damaged version of webkit), but now having two releases of IE to support will be very annoying. A shame, as IE10 mobile looks like it would have largely caught up with webkit and made cross browser development a lot easier.

Hamranhansenhansen
on Nov 25, 2012

Users of Windows Phone 7 are not “early adopters.” It is version 7, not version 1. That operating system’s life was 1996–2012. They adopted it very, very late.

When has anyone other than Apple updated the software on devices a year after they shipped? What Apple does is exceptional, not standard. I don't see how buyers of non-Apple devices have a right to expect it when only Apple has ever done it.

If these devices were Microsoft-branded and they had promised 3 years of software upgrades for free like Apple does then you would have a point. But if you buy Nokia or LG you don't expect to get 3 years of operating system software upgrades.

I think the scandal is that Windows Phone 7 even existed. That Microsoft tried to answer the iPhone with a PDA operating system from the 90’s. The key feature of iPhone in 2007 was OS X — it did not run iPod OS. The only answer to that is NT, maybe in the whole world. And Microsoft is only just getting an NT-based phone underway.

I agree with your overall point that these devices have to be supported because users have to invest thousands in the device and service, and then you want them to buy apps and music and so on also. Apps require current OS software, they require the OS to provide a consistent platform for the life of the device. But only Apple has ever done that. Users who want that should buy the one device that offers that: iPhone.

geeko
on Nov 25, 2012

"When has anyone other than Apple updated the software on devices a year after they shipped?"

Nokia? For the past 15 years?

pthurrott
on Nov 25, 2012

Two things.

1. Doesn't matter. This is Microsoft.

2. They explicitly announced they would be updating Windows Phone 7.5 handsets to 7.8. Every question about timing, etc. since then has been met by "no comment." It's not right. Period.

whosscruffylookin
on Nov 26, 2012

Paul, I think you are actually being quite lenient, as there's plenty more you could add to that list. Here's my pet peeves.

1) No officially supported way to manage your 7.x phone from Windows 8 and no word on when/if that is happening. The Zune download page only says it's compatible up to Windows 7, and although I got Zune to install on Windows 8, it won't recognise my Omnia 7. So I need to keep something running Windows 7 just so I can update my phone to 7.8, and even then there's no guarantee that I will then be able to manage it from Windows 8.

2) It looks like 7.8 won't include IE10. This means that web developers are either going to pretend that 7.x doesn't exist or continue to use IE specific workarounds, that IE10 won't need so much.

I'm lucky in that my Omnia 7 is now about two years old, so I would be looking to upgrade soon anyway. But if I'd have bought more recently, and I imagine quite a few people have, I'd be pissed.

I appreciate that Microsoft might want to keep some details under wraps for commercial reasons, but simply defaulting to a "no comment" stance for every question is stupid.

writeameer
on Nov 25, 2012

Thanks for calling this out. Hopefully there is an eminent announcement on an update for our older phones.

chrispauly
on Nov 25, 2012

I really believe that WP7.8 is coming. My assumption is that they are trying to figure out how to update all the models of phones since that has been a pain point in the past.

The carriers have had full control of updates and that's why my Samsung Focus has not gotten any of the bugfix updates since Mango was released because AT&T won't release them.

I won't buy another Microsoft phone until they prove they can deliver an update to all of their phone models without involving the carriers.

During the phone summit, Microsoft also announced the Phone Enthusiast program they would be starting (http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit/Keynote#time=1h42m30s). It would be nice if they would deliver the WP7.8 update to the enthusiasts first, instead of us having to watch XDA and hack a version on our phones (http://www.wp7roottools.com/index.php/developer-blog/97-windows-phone-7-...).

ArtDB
on Nov 26, 2012

Other tech sites are reporting timeframes that were provided by named MS leaders. It appears that the 7.8 rollout will begin in China.

This article comes across more so as a personal rant. Maybe it's author got tumbled while Black Friday shopping.

pthurrott
on Nov 26, 2012

Some tech blogs have printed rumors, yes. That's what they do.

That's not the point. Nor is the schedule for WP7.8

WP7.8 could ship today, but it doesn't change the point of this article: Microsoft has been unfairly silent about this release after promising it to customers to mollify them because they could not upgrade to WP8. This is not a "rant," a word aimed at discrediting the message, it's just a description of what's happened.

I figured we'd get at least one Microsoft apologist who would pull the classic debate strategy of changing the topic--I'm mad about something or other, or I'm whining, or whatever incorrect and off-topic charge you'd care to make. But this is about one thing and one thing only: Microsoft's secrecy is getting in the way of it doing the right thing for customers. The timing of WP7.8 doesn't matter in the slightest. Its inability to communicate matters a lot.

As a humorous aside, I will continue to check the three places where such information might be legitimately communicated: Microsoft News (formerly PressPass, http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/), Windows Phone Blog (http://blogs.windows.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/) and a mass email to the press and/or customers. Nope. Nothing yet.

Serge Montangero
on Nov 26, 2012

Paul, your grudge against Mr Sinofsky, which surfaces again in this article, is without merit. Yes, he introduced a more restrictive communication policy, which he was perfectly entitled to do. I can easily imagine what your editorials would sound like if their policy had remained like in the Longhorn era : promising all sorts of marvels and never delivering. Sinofsky introduced focus and discipline in a division that was lacking both, and thanks to that they now release quality product on schedule. Did he pissed off other executives ? You bet he did, he had the brains and guts to take difficult decisions, and was not paid to be popular anyway. Moreover, high ranking executives come and go, it is a fact of life, and some of them would have left anyway. Are you speaking for the users : yes you are, definitely, in general, but in this case it sounds like a personal grudge because he made your job more difficult and possibly less profitable.

pthurrott
on Nov 26, 2012

No offense. You have no idea what you're talking about.

This is not about a grudge, or about Sinofsky. So please don't change the topic.

The Windows Phone team has ignored all requests about Windows Phone 7.8 since announcing the upgrade in June. That's all this is about: A promise to customers. Not to me. Not to the press. Not about SS.

Serge Montangero
on Nov 26, 2012

Well I stand corrected then :)

I thought it had someting to do with Sinfosky, because you wrote "Understanding that the Windows Phone team had bought into the same ludicrous wall of secrecy policy that Steven Sinofsky foisted on the Windows team". I obviously misundestood that particular sentence.

Back to the topic, I see no evidence in your text that Microsoft has broken a promise they have made. Just because they refuse (rightly or wrongly) to comment on the subject, does not mean they will not release the upgrade. And it does not strike me as unreasonable if they release the upgrade some time after the initial wave of WP8 devices have had their chance on the market.

pthurrott
on Nov 26, 2012

I never suggested that they wouldn't release 7.8. Again, the point is about communicating to customers. They don't do a good job of it. And while I get that they're busy promoting the new thing (WP8) they made a promise to early adopters. And they've ignored repeated questions about that promise. That's all this is.

EvoFx Studio
on Nov 26, 2012

You are right paul,,

let me tell you somthing as a game developer

last year microsoft put out 8 beta dev kit for the phone to the community , for what ?

and now the new phones are resetting, and lock up random

paul try to install over 60 apps on the surface , and you will see it is starting to reset after booting up , and somtimes it simple lock up , somtimes it slow the tablet so you can not do anything

if microsoft has done this right ,,

windows phone 7 - 7,5 an upgrade to windows 8 phone
AND PUT THIS OS ON THE TABLET

upgrade windows 7 to windows 8 and allways booting up in desktop mode, and let people chose to enable the store by a link in the start menu

and the last thing ,, release the windows store for windows 7

and then you have an ecosystem of 400 million people right a way

not what they are doing right now,,

Super2online
on Nov 26, 2012

Microsoft has established a very disappointing trend with Windows Phone, adopt much of Apples strategies except delivering in a timely manner. I absolutely agree with you Paul, credibility is everything. Don't tell people you are going to do something and then do nothing and remain silent about it.

deagle
on Nov 26, 2012

I think all tech companies are guilty of treating their existing customers badly - to a degree. I speak as an HTC owner .. they never seem to do the android updates.

And as for IOS... well you get an upgrade (2 steps forward and 1 step back... Maps !) and whilst you may know when you are getting it, the improvements are marginal at best.

This is how the tech industry works ... sell you a new device to get a new feature that your previous device could probably have supported... but you pay again to get that one "must have" feature - that you probably forget after a few days.

One word of caution... not every upgrade is....err... an upgrade. And you often can't revert. I would suggest waiting for others to be the bleeding edge adopters of 7.8 before jumping in. I don't think MS have a big Windows Phone 7 team and it would be understandable that they diverted resources to WP8 - which lets face it was late (and still a bit buggy).

Cheers.

Deag

MrEddy
on Nov 26, 2012

I have a hard time understanding this article. We're supposed to be upset about what, exactly?

I bought a WP7.5. When I bought it, I knew it was underpowered by competitor's standards. So, I had a pretty good idea that a better phone would come along. As with everyone who buys any tech product - especially smartphones - there is no guarantee of whether or how long the software will be updated.

Even though there was no guarantee, MS announced that my phone will get at least a cosmetic update. So, now I will have the ability to resize my tiles, and maybe have tiles in more colors.

Now, a full month after other people have bought new phones with little tiles, my phone is still "stuck" with the medium sized tiles it had when I bought it. Apparently this is an outrage.

I'm supposed to be upset by this? Slighted? Vow to never buy a MS product, since no other company would dare disrespect me so flagrantly?

The only way I can make sense of the complaint is to assume that early adopters are emotionally stuck at around seven years old.

chrispauly
on Nov 26, 2012

I totally agree Paul. To me WP 7.8 is not about the new features... it's about proving that Microsoft understands who their future WP 8 phone enthusiasts are... the ones who bought WP 7.x phones.

The reason I bought an iPhone is because friends told me how much they loved theirs. The way that Microsoft will increase their phone sales is by getting their product into hands of enthusiasts who are the ones who influence their friends.

Microsoft sold me on WP 7. They said all the right things and delivered an incredible phone on time. They had some hiccups getting updates out due to the carriers, but they kept us informed about the events and finally got the updates pushed out to all. And then they improved/impressed again with delivering Mango to developers early and then to a mass majority of WP 7 phone owners all at once... a truly impressive feat.

But then they cut the cord.
1) They stopped pushing the carriers to deliver updates.
2) They told WP7.x users their phones would not run WP8.
3) They withheld the WP8 SDK from paid, registered developers and gave the reason as this was to generate as much excitement about WP8 when the new phones go on sale.
4) They took too long to deliver WP8 from when they first announced it.

I got 3 friends to switch to WP7. And now 2 of those friends are switching back to the iPhone when their contract is up. They did love WP7. They still love it. I think they are jumping ship for a combination of reasons: knowing that iOS is an OS that is constantly evolving almost every month with bugfixes and enhancements, and also knowing that I have lost faith in Microsoft.

Ever since Brandon Watson left the WP dev. team, the whole Windows Phone experience went down hill. I wasn't a huge fan of Watson from the beginning, but I really miss such an outspoken enthusiast. Joe Belfiore has the passion... but he constantly seems to be under a gag order where he won't talk about the fun stuff. Ben The PC Guy is trying to do his part... but those contests need to be seen in a TV commercial to the general public, not just get passed around on the internet between fanboys of different mobile ecosystems.

WP 7.8 should be one step forward for the overall WP experience. But the delivery/communication has been a giant leap backwards.

sundog
on Nov 26, 2012

@Paul
I can't be the only person thinking that Microsoft missed out on a great opportunity to turn early adopters into advocates for WP8. Everyone gets new phones every few years. Giving early adopters a taste of WP8 would also provide a great opportunity to get the look/feel of the newer WP8 out there for everyone to see before they buy their WP8 device. By delaying WP7.8 until AFTER the release of WP8, it seems that the only phone buyers who will be satisfied are those with Nokias. Now I'm looking at *maybe* a 7.8 update or *maybe* dropping Microsoft WM/WP altogether after years of WM/WP phones for something a little more predictable.

chrispauly
on Nov 26, 2012

@sundog I totally agree. I think Microsoft believes that people only buy things based on the current buzz... and they believe they control that buzz by advertising and making announcements.

Look at the reasoning Microsoft gave for not distributing their SDK: "I know that many of you want to know why we simply don’t publically release the full SDK now. The reason is that not all Windows Phone 8 features have been announced and our SDK includes comprehensive emulators that allow developers to test apps against a wide range of Windows Phone features. We recognize that this is a different approach to delivering tools than we’ve taken in the past. Our goal is to generate as much Windows Phone 8 excitement as possible to attract new customers when phones go on sale. This is one of many steps we’re taking to help give you what you (and we) want most."

So, they withheld an SDK to control the excitement that would happen when WP8 was announced. 3 problems...

1) They had already announced the WP8 features months earlier.
2) The SDK was already illegally available on torrent sites.
3) After they announced the new OS, you couldn't run out and buy a phone. You had to wait another 2+ weeks.

Microsoft needs to understand that their advocates are their early adopters and those are the people who keep the excitement going. Every time they try to control the excitement they can't execute the delivery. Let the early adopters carry the torch.

bobc1215
on Nov 26, 2012

I was late to the WP party, needing to get out of a contract, and only bought my Lumina 900 because I was told this upgrade would exist. I feel MS will owe me a new phone if they do not release 7.8. Keep up the good work Paul and I am holding my breath. If it does not happen can you tell me where to send my request for a new phone for free?

mostlynerd
on Nov 27, 2012

I wonder if the 7.8 update (if and when it comes), will also allow device encryption as required by Exchange 2010 policies. Right now, it's irritating that a Microsoft device, doesn't support it.

rmaclane
on Nov 28, 2012

I bought the Nokia Lumina 900 and several more for my staff and was going to go the same route with the Surface pad keyword "was"...because of the way this whole thing was handled by Microsoft & Nokia...I switched back to Apple iPhone & iPads. Will never do business with either Microsoft, Nokia or ATT again. If any of you big wigs at one of these company's are listening you have lost my faith & business. Nokia for the Phones and Microsoft almost Surface purchases.

n1tr0
on Dec 4, 2012

Thanks for writing this article.
I've been fuming since earlier this summer when it was announced that current Windows Phones would not be upgraded to WP8, but I held my tongue thinking surely Microsoft would offer some upgrade route for the handful of loyal customers that bought a WP7 or 7.5 device. I feel obligated to support Microsoft as they're a local employer and many of my friends have made their living with the company, but I don't know how much more I can take. I won't be buying another Windows Phone and after the pricing for the Surface came out, I went out and bought an Android tablet instead. My wife who's been anti-apple since her work switched to them 6-7 years ago has decided that she'd rather get a mac laptop than learn Windows 8. She's had nothing but problems with her new Nokia 920 and based on the last 2 years of Windows Phone, it's hard to imagine those problems will be addressed any time soon. I really feel bad for my past recommendations of Windows Phone.

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