Xbox Music Feature Focus: Playlists

It's a simple feature, but Xbox Music adds cloud sync between devices

Supported on: Windows 8, Windows RT, Windows Phone 8, Xbox 360
Requires Xbox LIVE Gold subscription: No (Yes on Xbox 360)
Requires Xbox Music Pass subscription: No (Yes on Windows Phone 8, Xbox 360)

Playlists are lists of songs that can be played together as a group, like the modern version of a mix tape, a way for to organize songs you like, or that go together well, in cohesive, radio-like playback. Xbox Music of course support playlists on each of the supported platforms, and it automatically syncs them to the cloud so they’re available from all your devices.

Previous Microsoft media platforms supported two kinds of playlists: Plain, or static, playlists—simply called playlists—and dynamic playlists called auto playlists that were automatically populated using certain criteria. Dynamic playlists are very powerful, and their contents can change over time as new music matching the criteria is added (or removed) from your music collection over time. Alas, Xbox Music does not currently support dynamic playlists. Instead, it only provides plain playlists.

Note: Xbox Music does support a related feature called Smart DJ, which creates dynamic playlists, called mixes, which are based on only one criteria (typically music that is like a certain artist). You can find out more about this feature in Xbox Music Feature Focus: Smart DJ.

Auto playlist sync

While playlists are a pretty basic feature, Xbox Music does bring one nicety to the party: Any playlists you create in Windows 8/RT, Windows Phone 8, and Xbox 360 are automatically synced to your cloud collection so they’re available from all your devices. (Note that I’ve not been able to make playlists created on Windows Phone 8 appear elsewhere, however.)

That said, there are—as always with Xbox Music, it seems—a few major caveats to this functionality.

The biggest caveat is that playlist sync pretty much requires an Xbox Music Pass subscription. I say pretty much because, oddly enough, if you don’t have such a subscription, your playlists will in fact sync to the cloud, but they’ll be empty. (Yes, seriously.) So in order to take advantage of auto playlist sync, you’ll really need Xbox Music Pass too.

A second major gotcha will bedevil some until they understand what’s happening: Even with Music Pass, playlists can only sync content that is available in the Xbox Music Store. So if you have a playlist that contains five songs which are in the store and five that are not, the playlist will sync, but it will contain only the five songs that are available in the store.

Confusing? You bet.

Note: Oddly, you cannot sync Xbox Music playlists manually from Windows 8/RT to Windows Phone 8: The Metro version of the Windows Phone app does not sync Xbox Music-based playlists from the PC at all, and the desktop version syncs with iTunes and Windows Media Player only. However, you can use the Metro-style Windows Phone app to sync playlists from Windows Phone 8 to the PC, which is of limited usefulness. Presumably, Microsoft expects users to access the cloud sync functionality instead.

Playlists on Windows 8/RT

Playlist usage on Windows 8/RT is straightforward. Here, Playlists are a major view in the Xbox Music app alongside Albums, Artists, Songs, and Smart DJs. As with the other views, you can sort playlists in various ways, including by date changed, date added, or alphabetical (A to Z).

You can create a new playlist using the Create new playlist link at the top of this view. You’ll need to provide a name, of course.

To rename a playlist, right-click to select and choose Rename from the app bar that appears.

To add music to a playlist, just right-click to select a song, artist, or album and then choose Add to Playlist from the app bar, and then the name of the playlist.

You can also import playlists and auto playlists from Zune and playlists from Windows Media Player, though auto playlists will of course be converted to normal playlists. There are a few way to do this, but the easiest is to display the Playlist view, right-click, and choose Import Playlists from the app bar. Playlist importing is automatic, and you cannot choose which playlists to import. (You can however, delete any imported playlists you don’t wish to keep.)

Playlists on Windows Phone 8

Playlist playback in Windows Phone 8 is likewise straightforward in that there is a Playlists view in the Music experience in Music + Videos. But the creation and editing of playlists is a lot less obvious. In fact, its borderline useless.

To create a playlist, you need to go through a somewhat tedious process in which you first add music to the Now Playing playlist—that is, the list of music that is currently playing—and then save that as a playlist. That is, you can’t just select music and add it directly to a playlist. This means that you cannot add music to an existing playlist on Windows Phone 8.

Note: OK, that’s not strictly true. You can in fact start a playlist playing, add music to the Now Playing playlist, and then save that as a playlist with the same name as the original playlist, choosing to replace the old version with the new version. You need to use this method to remove songs from a playlist on the device as well. This need is both silly and error-prone, however.

To delete a playlist, tap and hold on the playlist in Playlists and choose Delete from the pop-up menu that appears. You can also use this menu to pin the playlist to the Start screen.

Playlists created in Windows Phone 8 are supposed to be saved to your cloud collection, but I’ve not been able to make any Windows Phone-created playlists appear in Windows 8/RT or the Xbox 360.

Playlists on Xbox 360

Playlist support in Xbox Music on the Xbox 360 requires Xbox Live Gold and Xbox Music Pass subscriptions. Playlists you created in Windows 8/RT can be found in My Music, My Playlists, and you can even make your own playlists from this interface

To add music to a playlist, search Xbox Music, find the music you wish to add, select the Add All Songs to Playlist tile, choose Add to Playlist, and then choose the playlist name from the list.

You can also save the Now Playing list to a playlist. From the Now Playing screen, tap Start on the Xbox controller and then select Save as a Playlist.

Playlists created on the Xbox 360 will appear in Windows 8/RT as well.

Discuss this Article 16

Dragonwyntir
on Dec 31, 2012

Paul, have you found a way to edit the contents of the playlist at all? For example, re-ordering songs that you've added to a playlist you've created?

pthurrott
on Dec 31, 2012

No, it's super basic.

eeewing
on Dec 31, 2012

The inability to edit/create playlists from my WP8 device and sync them back to my computer is my biggest gripe with XBOX Music! It would have been enough to send me back to Spotify, except, well, Spotify is of course not yet on WP8 either.

saenz
on Dec 31, 2012

The 1 way I have been able to reorder songs is on my Surface, go into the Music app, hold down the song title until the little up and down arrows appear on the left side of the song. Then move them up and down to where you want them. Pretty tedious for long playlists if you want a song towards the top. But then the order changes on my Lumia 920 when it syncs next.

Only other thing ill add is how frustrating it is that I can't mix Xbox Music Pass songs with my owned music on Windows Phone 8 yet I CAN do this with my Lumia 900 and Zune client. Its why I use my 900 over my 920 for music and podcasts. I really hope a major update is in the works for XBox Music. Its a great service with some nagging limitations in its current form.

JimmyFal
on Dec 31, 2012

What's this about the Xbox Music being handled by a new division in France? There are some pretty long threads about Music in the MS Forums. Not a lot of happy campers. I hope they can put all this together in "months" and not the "years" that someone in the division referred to.

http://tinyurl.com/d5jpqt8

I'm mostly happy but, at this point I think MS needs to make up for all the bungled operations and bundle the dang Music right in with the Gold Subscription. That would please a lot of people and probably sell more Xboxes, while they are "fixing" the problems.

roncerr
on Dec 31, 2012

I have no particular desire or need to use Xbox music on my phone, however I certainly plan to play mp3 files that I have loaded on to the device from my PC using Windows Explorer. This statement from your link says "Podcast playback position forgotten by device when switching to any other app that uses volume control". But I wonder if that refers to Xbox music specifically or to any file being played back on the phone. The only reason I need a new phone is to not forget where I paused the currently playing file. (Regardless of interruptions from calls, messages, or ideally even reboots.)

elgauchogrub
on Dec 31, 2012

This seems like a step back from Zune and I'm about ready to break out an old iPod and start using that again. This past week I thought I had a good playlist on my Lumina 920 only to get on a plane and discover it doesn't really sync the playlist other than the artist/album/song data so it can stream.

So apparently I'm supposed to go to the phone and manually download every song in the playlist from there rather than just sync from the PC?

I really like Windows Phone and WIndows 8 for that matter but the stunning lack of thought put into so many of their default apps and now the xbox music service is just killing me.

IMO they should just re-release the Zune software until this mess is fixed; it's going to hurt the bottom line.

sege122
on Jan 1, 2013

I really want to love Xbox Music but playlists are just another step into the confusion. Either they should sync across all devices or they shouldn't. Each music article seems to begin with the things that are supported and not whereas the whole point of cloud service should be universality.

The confusion starts with the name "Xbox Music". If you have an Xbox Music subscription you would expect it to work with an Xbox. Well it only does if you have another gold subscription designed for gamers. Someone not interested in games has to get a gold subscription.

Some things work with the Xbox Music App and Windows 7 users with Windowsphone 8 have to use Zune but the DRM is different.

The playlist thing is yet another incomplete feature.

Xbox Music had so much potential and is being let down by frustration....

janson
on Jan 2, 2013

Editing contents of a playlist? You can indeed do this on the Windows 8/RT app.
If you open the playlist you wish to edit, then left click or touch the name of the track you wish to remove and edit and you should have the option to play, remove from playlist and have 2 arrows to the left had side which allow you to re-order where that track is in the list.
No 'drag n drop' etc but this is one of the caveats of having a touch first interface I'm guessing.

piook
on Jan 2, 2013

I agree with sege122 on wanting to love playlists and moreover XBox music but it is just too limited. Its single best advantage over the competition (being available on xBox) is limited by the fact that I cannot use it in game. I had the xBox music pass and liked there variety of music available, the playback quality, and the fact that I could listen to it on my xBox. But unfortunately there is a catch. You cannot stream music while in game. The in game soundtrack feature is one of the coolest features for xBox going all the way back to the original console, and the ability to access millions of songs from the service in an ingame soundtrack would be phenomenal! But alas, this cannot be done. In game soundtrack can only play music locally stored on the xBox or on a local network computer. So I guess (though I have not tried) I can mark for offline listening a bunch of songs on my windows 8 pc and then stream them to the in game soundtrack but that is tedious and does not work for smart dj for sure.
This is just one example of microsoft half-@**ing it again. They always have amazing ideas that are never executed to their full advantage.

wtf808
on Jan 2, 2013

(Note that I’ve not been able to make playlists created on Windows Phone 8 appear elsewhere, however.)

Hit the nail on the head there Paul..

Over on the MS forums, there has been a string of outcry to fix XBM across all devices.. check it..

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp8-wpmusic/master-lis...

Syncing is just a nightmare, metadata hijacking, lack of functionality for playlist editing.. the list goes on.

If you take everything you knew about Zune, Zune software and wiped it from your mind completely, well then, XBM/XBV may look fine.. but since this is a replacement to Zune, well, most compare it and are left wanting....

trampcorpse
on Jan 3, 2013

I have found another way of adding single songs to a playlist (on PC). By first playing the song and then right clicking (while it's playing) the option appears to add to the a playlist. Compared to Spotify Xbox Music Pass is pretty dreadful in terms of usability and features. Also i have had no luck in syncing from comp to phone. IN the UK also we have NO podcast support. just nothing.

bryanj26
on Jan 3, 2013

Paul, thanks for the article. Since you're more in the know, what is the intent of this "feature"?

'A second major gotcha will bedevil some until they understand what’s happening: Even with Music Pass, playlists can only sync content that is available in the Xbox Music Store. So if you have a playlist that contains five songs which are in the store and five that are not, the playlist will sync, but it will contain only the five songs that are available in the store.'

I can't for the life of me figure this out - almost all of my playlists combine music from different sources but I have a terrible time trying to make them work with the XBM system. Is that really what they think customers want?

Bacchus1976
on Jan 5, 2013

No. They don't care what customers want. They are trying to force people into their paid cloud services by eliminating any useful feature that bypasses it.

It's truly evil.

With Zune everything Synced over WiFi and everything was grand. My Xbox could stream all the content it wanted from my PC via LAN or WiFi. Now, since I'm not a paying Xbox Live or Xbox Music Pass customer I don't get the privilege of playing the music I own on the devices I own without jumping through serious hoops. This is far more insidious than DRM ever was.

CmdrKeene
on Jan 7, 2013

I can't seem to figure out how to access the now-playing list on Windows Phone 8.

Harry Buttle
on Jan 19, 2013

The whole Xbox music thing has to go, it is nowhere near ready for prime time - maybe bring it back in Win 10 because it is that far from ready. You do not introduce a new product that is less capable than the predecessor, they need to go back to the drawing board, set a basic number of features (eg make it as capable as Zune in each area) ship it, then start adding features like cloud, but right now I tell people that if they play music on their phone, don't touch WP8 and I am a fan of Win Phone - it isn't so bad on the PC or Surface as you can use aftermarket apps to play your music. Really dumb marketing move MS.

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